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[luckyshow]

I was researching Tracy Lis' high school career, as much as possible in the Google News Archives. A New London paper called The Day. Here is what I haven't been able to find. In her final season, near the conclusion, her coach said the only record she didn't have was the Connecticut state record for points in a game. It was 72. No name or other details were mentioned. It is possible they may have even meant a boy. I have no 72 point game for boy or girl. Lis graduated 1988.

It may be somewhere in this newspaper, or at least those issues in the google archive. I can't locate it. Anyone have any idea? [this seems the only location for female basketball questions]

[HistoryofWomensBasketball]

Let me ask around....I know some guru's in CT. I used to ready about Tracy all the time when she was in High School. Everyone thought she would go to Uconn but ended up in Rhode Island (possible Providence). When the ABL started, she played for the New England Blizzard. Pretty much a bench player, but fan favorite. She would also be seen roller blading over in Newport a lot.

Hope I can find something for you
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Preservationist of History of Womens Basketball
www.womensbasketballmuseum.com
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Co-Author of upcoming book on the All American Red Heads

2007 inductee CT Womens Basketball HOF

[rlee]

I suggest contacting Dave Strong, the Connecticut Women's Basketball HOF historian.
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[luckyshow]

Lis went to Providence.

Thanks for any help on the 72 and all else. It is as elusive as finding LaTaunya Pollard Romanazzi's 99 or 100 point game in Italy...

Does anyone have a contact for the CT HOF person?

[rlee]

http://www.ctwomensbasketballhalloffame.com/Contact_Us/contact_us.html
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[luckyshow]

I wrote him, detailing the data problem including link to my page, but the answer was very unsatisfactory:

I seem to know more, or less.

I know I am missing games for Lis, I only found 9 of 50 or more. But when she was a senior, late in February, they said she hadn't bested the 72 in a game (by someone else, unnamed, undated). She scored 61 in a game 2/23/1988, and 54 in March in the championship game in the post-season playoffs. So, the highest game for her I have is 65 in her frosh year. I don't think she ever had such games in the 70 point range, or she would have had that record. Sometimes I am confused at how little the "Experts" and historians seem to know. It seems she was the Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson of Connecticut basketball, at least girls high school basketball. One would think more would be known about her game, and certainly who it is who holds that one game record of 72.

[luckyshow]

At newspaperarchive.com, there is a way to look and see what their holdings are. New York State (somehow still) has a microfilm interlibrary loaning program from the state library's holdings. There is a Plattesburgh newspaper which is pay-per-view on the internet. This inhibits my researching incomplete results hits in the Google News Archive search. For certain reasons, these can not be coaxed out. Also, for some reason post-1940s issues are not available in the New York loan system (they have complete online listings of what their holdings are), which is pretty unusual, and not related to the pay-per-view status. So it is, for me as impossible to research as the Hartford Courant historical database on Proquest, unavailable except in Hartford, in Connecticut.

My question is, does anyone know if the Google News Archive has a location (an index) where you can see what their holdings of free to view newspapers are? These area goldmine so far for me. Milwaukee Journal, a paper from Ocala, one Pittsburgh paper, a paper here, a paper there. A Ludington newspaper only found using "Lundington" in the search. Seemingly random. I only find these through blind searches, then looking for papers that might pop up in the results.

Is there a place that shows what they have put up online? Another oddity is where they don't seem to have every issue, even in a given week.

I found a name in one paper, he scored 50 something points in a playoff game on a Tuesday. Sometimes the Google page mis-dates the paper, showing the first on the reel (or whatever they use)/ It usually starts with the first page of the day before's issue. So by scrolling to the left you can see the day before.

When I couldn't find the exact report from Wednesday's paper, I saw that there was a Wednesday newspaper. But I could find a Thursday and a Tuesday newspaper, but absolutely nothing could find that Wednesday paper. The only proof it exists is the last page on the Tuesday web page and the first page shown before page 1 of Thursday. And it is not on pay per view if this was some profit strategy. It just isn't there. Is it missing in the microfilm? Was it skipped in the digitalizing? There seems to never be a way to write Google, so I haven't even looked...

Anyway is there anywhere showing what they have?

[HistoryofWomensBasketball]

I used to read about her all the time in the Hartford Courant. Might be a good place to go.

I posted on a site I thought someone would have known right off the top of their head, but no luck, sorry
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John Molina

Preservationist of History of Womens Basketball
www.womensbasketballmuseum.com
www.allamericanredheads.com

Co-Author of upcoming book on the All American Red Heads

2007 inductee CT Womens Basketball HOF

[John Grasso]

Why don't you try to contact Tracy. If you put her name into Google
there is both a facebook entry as well as a myspace entry.
One of the other entries mentions a restaurant in Webster, Mass.
that she is a co-owner of - Waterfront Mary's.

(By the way, this APBR.org discussion is the tenth item in the Google list.)

[luckyshow]

You mean if you look for Tracy Lis, this discussion is in the top 10? Actually that is a bit sad as it means hardly anything is online about her. It is true she was never hotshot in college or anything at all as a pro.


My experience in Facebook is no one responds. Ever. To such queries.
People are suspicious of virtually anything out of the ordinary. We live in very conventional times. People crave conformity now.

As far as the Hartford Courant. I have no access to it. A few years ago, the historic database appeared on my home use of my home library's database. I was getting into it. I compiled one old semi-pro football team and was beginning the more obscure such team when, poof, they yanked it. It was only a trial period. My library could never afford what they charge. If they did they would probably sign up for the LA Times or Chicago Trib, both also exclusive historic databases on Proquest.

I believe I could access these at Columbia University where I have library privileges, and perhaps (though I am unsure) at the main library at 42nd Street in Manhattan. No where else that I know of. Not at CW Post or Hofstra, which both have pretty good old newspapers (if an odd assortment, at Post they have old Chicago News on microfilm, at Hofstra, old Harper's Weekly, Colliers, Leslie's Illustrated, similar 19th century periodicals and certain year of the New York Herald and NY Tribune.

But when I rarely get to Columbia I look through their holdings of New York Age and Amsterdam News and Columbia Spectator, etc. Never have time for Hartford paper. When I search the name Tracy Lis in Google archives, not much in Courant shows. They have access to the index.

Nor will this help figure out the 72 point game they reference her as chasing as a record. That would be someone else. Which again brings up why the state of Connecticut has no central listing of such records. My listing, both for boys and girls prep, is the only one I know of. Which seems true for most of my lists. Which is why so many lift them, steal them, borrow them.

Usually the problem for their lists is I update all the time, and correct mistakes, so they always have old lists of mine. Usually with no attribution.

[HistoryofWomensBasketball]

Hi,

I'm in contact with Tracy. She had 65 in a game and holdss the girls record. She is going to try and find information on the guy and get back to me
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John Molina

Preservationist of History of Womens Basketball
www.womensbasketballmuseum.com
www.allamericanredheads.com

Co-Author of upcoming book on the All American Red Heads

2007 inductee CT Womens Basketball HOF

[HistoryofWomensBasketball]

Just one more tidbit of info on Tracy..

She did more than just ok at Providence. She scored 2,534 points to set the school record, along with helping them make it to the sweet 16 for the first time and all 4 years to the NCAA tournament.

In my younger years (high school to late 20s) before I got interested in womens basketball...I remember 3 great women in sports.

Tracy Lis, Dorothy Hamil and Joan Joyce.

Tracy was very popular in our house during her days with the ABL's New England Blizzard.
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John Molina

Preservationist of History of Womens Basketball
www.womensbasketballmuseum.com
www.allamericanredheads.com

Co-Author of upcoming book on the All American Red Heads

2007 inductee CT Womens Basketball HOF

[HistoryofWomensBasketball]

Here is some information Tracy sent.

78 points Maurice Williamson New Haven Wilbur Cross
won 108-92 against Westbury High(Long Island) 2-13-1988
25-44 FG 8 threes 20-27 FT

71 points Danny Moore South Catholic(Hartford)
won 110-85 against Bullard Havens Bridgeport 2-13-1970
FG were 30-35 or 30-65 (it was unclear)
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John Molina

Preservationist of History of Womens Basketball
www.womensbasketballmuseum.com
www.allamericanredheads.com

Co-Author of upcoming book on the All American Red Heads

2007 inductee CT Womens Basketball HOF

[luckyshow]

....but she might have found this on my page!