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Mike G
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improved players 2018-19

Post by Mike G » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:56 pm

Using multi-year RPM and PIPM, subtracting those values from this season's RPM and PIPM, all gotten from this page:
http://craftednba.com/player-cats/king

Points added above and beyond multi-year expectations in this seasons minutes.
Pts+ = ((RPM-MYR)*Min/48 + (PIPM-MYPI)*Min/48))/2

I set a cutoff at >500 minutes; and the data are a few days old.

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pts+   Name         Team   Min   RPM   MYRPM   PIPM  MYPI
107  De'Aaron Fox   Sac   1356   1.75  -3.54    1.4  -0.9
77   Jerami Grant   OKC   1321   1.38  -2.73    1.9   0.4
71   Paul George    OKC   1462   7.03   3.95    5.1   3.5
68   Nikola Vucevic Orl   1295   5.38   1.32    4.3   3.3
66 D'Angelo Russell Brk   1261   1.34  -2.59    0.9  -0.2

61   Noah Vonleh    NYK   1132   2.74  -1.60    1.2   0.4
58  Emmanuel Mudiay NYK    959  -0.82  -5.31   -1.2  -2.5
53   Danny Green    Tor   1273   3.15   0.96    3.8   2.0
53   Pascal Siakam  Tor   1361   3.37   0.76    3.3   2.2
51   Marcus Morris  Bos   1041   1.06  -1.44    2.3   0.1
The MY-RPM are from previous seasons only; MY-PIPM include this season.
Disclaimer: I can't vouch for any of the data, and there do seem to be some kinks in it.

Players who have gotten big minutes despite sharp declines can also be adjudged as having produced fewer points than expected in their minutes:

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pts+   Name        Team   Min     RPM   MYRPM   PIPM  MYPI
-86   Clint Capela  Hou   1436   -1.22   3.30    1.1   2.3
-75   Klay Thompson GSW   1484   -1.35   2.07    0.0   1.4
-72   Cedi Osman    Cle   1345   -5.49  -1.12   -4.4  -3.6
-70   Chris Paul    Hou    862    3.09   8.17    2.1   4.8
-67   LaM. Aldridge SAS   1434   -0.34   3.12    0.8   1.8

-65   Kyle Anderson Mem   1217   -0.43   3.57   -0.5   0.6
-63   Trevor Ariza  Was   1420   -2.48  -0.65   -2.6  -0.2
-61   Eric Gordon   Hou   1061   -2.07   1.82   -0.8   0.8
-60   Jimmy Butler  Phl   1158    3.45   6.43    0.8   2.8
-57   Lonzo Ball    LAL   1330   -1.18   1.92   -1.0   0.0
-57  Spe. Dinwiddie Brk   1252   -0.56   2.89   -1.0  -0.1
Is there a correlation between teams that have a preponderance of over- or under-achievers and the teams' over/under relative to expectations?

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Mike G » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:48 pm

Here's a data dump of the 200 veterans with >500 minutes, sorted by team with team total given.
Players with <500 MP are not included in the total, and players traded midseason have all minutes/pts+ ascribed to current team.

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. Atl            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Alex Len          11  -0.97  -2.32   -1.1  -1.1
DeAndre' Bembry    4  -2.84  -3.14   -1.7  -1.8
John Collins       3  -0.26  -0.03    0.3  -0.3
Kent Bazemore      0  -0.35  -0.39   -0.4  -0.4

Dewayne Dedmon    -4   0.44   0.61   -0.2   0.1
Taurean Prince   -12  -2.51  -0.59   -1.9  -2.0
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. Bos            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Marcus Morris     51   1.06  -1.44    2.3   0.1
Marcus Smart      37   3.64   1.46    2.0   1.0
Kyrie Irving      32   5.78   4.24    4.4   3.4

Gordon Hayward    -7   0.54   0.22   -0.4   0.6
Al Horford       -17   2.13   3.08    1.8   2.6
Terry Rozier     -23  -0.57   1.26   -1.1  -0.6
Jaylen Brown     -42  -1.56   0.93   -1.5   0.2
Jayson Tatum     -45   0.70   4.20    2.8   2.6
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. Brk            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
D'Angelo Russell  66   1.34  -2.59    0.9  -0.2
Joe Harris        36   1.06  -1.19   -0.2  -0.9
Jarrett Allen     26   0.86  -0.52    1.1   0.2

Jared Dudley     -14  -1.01  -0.18   -1.4  -0.8
DeMarre Carroll  -15  -0.96   0.66   -0.2   0.1
Allen Crabbe     -16  -2.67  -1.11   -1.9  -1.4
Ron. H-Jefferson -27  -2.83   0.12   -0.8  -0.6
Spe. Dinwiddie   -57  -0.56   2.89   -1.0  -0.1
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. Cha            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Marvin Williams   19   1.85   0.21    0.8   0.8
Jeremy Lamb       -1   1.16   1.55    0.9   0.6
Cody Zeller       -2   0.90   1.17    1.0   1.0
Nicolas Batum    -21  -1.40  -0.51   -0.9  -0.2
Kemba Walker     -50   2.81   4.54    1.1   2.7
   -55            
. Chi            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Ryan Arcidiacono  33   0.56  -2.17   -0.7  -0.8
Zach LaVine       32  -1.14  -3.57   -1.3  -1.3
Kris Dunn          3  -1.06  -0.93   -0.2  -0.9
Lauri Markkanen   -2  -0.66   0.00   -0.8  -1.2
Jabari Parker    -22  -4.41  -2.37   -2.7  -2.4
   44            
. Cle            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Rodney Hood       28  -0.51  -2.71   -1.1  -1.6
Tristan Thompson  14  -1.20  -1.82    0.0  -0.7
Jordan Clarkson   10  -3.18  -3.46   -1.1  -1.7

Larry Nance Jr.   -8   1.90   2.50    0.6   0.8
Alec Burks       -19  -3.91  -2.28   -2.0  -1.7
Cedi Osman       -72  -5.49  -1.12   -4.4  -3.6
   -48            
. Dal            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Wesley Matthews   39   0.08  -2.58   -1.2  -1.9
Dennis Smith Jr.  10  -1.89  -2.37   -2.1  -2.8
Dorian F-Smith     2  -2.09  -2.00   -0.3  -0.6
Harrison Barnes   -5  -1.03  -0.61   -2.1  -2.1
DeAndre Jordan    -8   1.84   1.29   -0.1   1.0
   37            
. Den            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Juan Hernangomez  40   1.41  -1.99   -0.6  -0.8
Monte Morris      37   1.69  -1.73   -0.5  -0.5
Paul Millsap      34   3.78   0.80    2.8   2.1
Malik Beasley     22  -0.44  -2.21   -0.5  -1.0
Torrey Craig       9  -2.90  -3.61   -1.3  -1.6

Gary Harris      -15   0.29   1.96    0.9   1.1
Jamal Murray     -35   0.13   1.79    0.4   1.1
Nikola Jokic     -38   6.66   8.59    3.9   4.7
   53            
. Det            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Reggie Jackson     2  -0.79  -1.23   -1.4  -1.1

Blake Griffin     -2   2.55   2.49    1.8   2.0
Ish Smith         -9  -1.82  -1.04   -0.7   0.2
Andre Drummond   -14   0.28   1.54    1.8   1.5
Langs. Galloway  -15  -0.49   0.69   -1.2  -0.8
Reggie Bullock   -22  -1.94  -0.23   -0.7  -0.3
Stanley Johnson  -26  -2.18   0.05   -2.4  -1.3
   -86            
. GSW            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Kevon Looney      12   1.84   1.05    0.7   0.2
Kevin Durant      10   4.54   4.44    5.8   5.3

Andre Iguodala    -6   0.52   0.79    0.4   0.8
Draymond Green   -46   2.03   5.89    3.1   4.1
Stephen Curry    -50   5.09   8.23    5.5   6.7
Klay Thompson    -75  -1.35   2.07    0.0   1.4
   -155            
. Hou            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Gerald Green      19  -0.39  -1.74    1.0   0.0
James Harden      15   7.74   6.08    4.5   5.2
James Ennis III   13  -0.87  -1.92   -0.8  -1.6

PJ Tucker         -9   0.13  -0.36   -0.1   1.0
Eric Gordon      -61  -2.07   1.82   -0.8   0.8
Chris Paul       -70   3.09   8.17    2.1   4.8
Clint Capela     -86  -1.22   3.30    1.1   2.3
   -179            
. Ind            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Bojan Bogdanovic  40  -0.50  -2.99   -0.5  -0.9
Cory Joseph       38   1.01  -0.59    1.0  -0.8
Domantas Sabonis  38   1.89   0.12    2.0   0.2
Thaddeus Young     5   1.91   1.65    1.2   1.1

Myles Turner      -8   0.81   1.70    1.7   1.6
Darren Collison  -10   1.00   1.51    0.2   0.5
Tyreke Evans     -25  -0.15   1.86   -0.3   0.7
Victor Oladipo   -42   3.02   5.50    1.9   3.4
   36            
. LAC            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Danilo Gallinari  40   3.51   0.56    1.4   1.4
Tobias Harris     12   1.69   1.48    1.3   0.7
Montrezl Harrell   6   1.33   1.51    2.0   1.3
Lou Williams       1  -0.21  -0.19    0.8   0.7

Patrick Beverley  -8  -0.49  -0.47   -0.7   0.0
Avery Bradley    -43  -4.87  -1.67   -3.7  -2.9
   8            
. LAL            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Kyle Kuzma        20  -0.08  -0.59    0.4  -0.5
Josh Hart         10   1.00   0.31   -0.4  -0.5
Brandon Ingram   -17  -2.78  -1.13   -1.6  -1.7
K Caldwell-Pope  -31  -0.66   1.49   -1.0  -0.2
LeBron James     -34   5.43   6.97    3.5   4.7
Lonzo Ball       -57  -1.18   1.92   -1.0   0.0
   -109            
. Mem            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Marc Gasol        48   3.61   1.30    2.3   1.4
Mike Conley       41   3.78   1.13    3.4   3.2
Garrett Temple    41  -0.51  -2.85   -0.6  -1.2

JaMychal Green    -6  -2.69  -2.22   -1.8  -1.5
Shelvin Mack     -27  -2.65  -0.81   -3.2  -2.2
Justin Holiday   -40  -0.68   0.08   -3.2  -1.2
Kyle Anderson    -65  -0.43   3.57   -0.5   0.6
   -8            
. Mia            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Josh Richardson   17   1.83   1.26    1.2   0.6
Bam Adebayo       16   0.89  -0.28    0.7   0.2
Hassan Whiteside   5   0.97   0.93    2.0   1.5
Justise Winslow    0   0.79   1.55    1.2   0.4

Dwyane Wade      -10  -3.35  -3.16   -2.3  -1.3
Rodney McGruder  -11  -1.89  -1.26   -2.4  -2.1
Kelly Olynyk     -11   2.51   3.09    0.6   1.3
Tyler Johnson    -13  -0.67  -0.24   -1.6  -0.5
James Johnson    -16  -1.26   0.53   -1.6  -0.4
   -23            
. Mil            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Brook Lopez       46   2.49   0.21    3.4   1.9
Eric Bledsoe      22   3.39   2.30    3.5   2.9
Malcolm Brogdon   20   0.41   0.41    1.6  -0.1
Giannis A         16   4.48   4.77    6.4   4.9
Khris Middleton    8   2.50   2.31    2.5   2.1

George Hill       -4   0.42   0.73    0.0   0.2
   108            
. Min            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Taj Gibson        12   1.31  -0.06   -0.1   0.2
Jeff Teague       12   0.09  -0.92    0.4   0.1
Derrick Rose       5  -0.19   0.00   -0.6  -1.3

Andrew Wiggins   -19  -1.35  -0.39   -1.1  -0.7
Robert Covington -32   3.29   4.47    1.8   3.2
Tyus Jones       -35   0.51   4.14   -0.1   0.2
Dario Saric      -38  -1.90   0.71   -1.2  -0.4
Karl-A Towns     -42   2.86   4.82    2.6   3.4
   -137            
. NOP            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Anthony Davis     47   7.14   4.72    6.0   5.2
Julius Randle     16  -0.39  -0.81    0.6  -0.2
Darius Miller      5  -0.79  -0.80   -2.2  -2.7
Jrue Holiday       3   3.37   3.51    4.0   3.7

Solomon Hill     -11  -2.85  -1.61   -3.1  -2.5
E'Twaun Moore    -20  -1.76  -0.54   -1.7  -1.2
Nikola Mirotic   -25   1.11   3.36    0.6   1.3
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. NYK            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Noah Vonleh       61   2.74  -1.60    1.2   0.4
Emmanuel Mudiay   58  -0.82  -5.31   -1.2  -2.5
Damyean Dotson     1  -1.79  -1.87   -1.4  -1.4

Enes Kanter      -31  -2.07   0.16   -1.8  -1.3
Frank Ntilikina  -39  -5.74  -1.55   -3.2  -2.5
Tim Hardaway Jr. -49  -0.84   1.73   -1.6  -0.5
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. OKC            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Jerami Grant      77   1.38  -2.73    1.9   0.4
Paul George       71   7.03   3.95    5.1   3.5
Terrance Ferguson  8  -3.34  -3.72   -1.5  -2.1
Steven Adams       2   1.69   1.87    2.6   2.3

Dennis Schroder  -15  -1.76  -0.97   -2.3  -1.9
Rus. Westbrook   -39   3.25   5.09    3.3   4.6
   104            
. Orl            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Nikola Vucevic    68   5.38   1.32    4.3   3.3
D.J. Augustin     31   1.13   0.00    1.0  -0.4
Evan Fournier      0  -0.75  -0.75   -0.5  -0.5

Jonathan Isaac    -2  -2.05  -1.88   -1.4  -1.4
Aaron Gordon      -5   1.04   1.58    1.4   1.2
Terrence Ross    -20  -2.07  -1.20   -2.3  -1.4
Jonathon Simmons -27  -4.58  -1.51   -3.6  -3.1
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. Phl            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
JJ Redick         10   1.68   0.37    0.9   1.5
Wilson Chandler    9  -0.66  -1.90   -1.3  -1.2
T.J. McConnell     8  -1.78  -2.33   -1.9  -2.3
Mike Muscala       1   0.12  -0.34   -1.2  -0.8

Joel Embiid      -24   3.77   5.53    4.7   4.6
Ben Simmons      -26   2.52   3.55    1.6   2.3
Jimmy Butler     -60   3.45   6.43    0.8   2.8
   -83            
. Phx            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
T.J. Warren       43   0.51  -2.04   -0.3  -1.2
Devin Booker      19   0.99  -0.41   -0.7  -1.0
Josh Jackson      -1  -3.63  -2.82   -2.6  -3.3
Isaiah Canaan    -18  -2.71   0.00   -3.2  -2.5
Austin Rivers    -22  -2.88  -1.03   -1.9  -1.7
Kelly Oubre Jr.  -24  -3.63  -0.90   -1.6  -2.2
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. Por            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Jusuf Nurkic      48   4.44   2.36    4.5   2.7
CJ McCollum        6   0.20   0.62    1.5   0.7
Evan Turner       -1  -3.70  -3.20   -2.5  -2.9
Maurice Harkless  -1  -0.39  -0.40   -0.3  -0.1
Al-Farouq Aminu   -3   1.30   2.11    2.6   2.0
Damian Lillard   -10   3.56   4.06    3.8   3.9
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. Sac            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
De'Aaron Fox     107   1.75  -3.54    1.4  -0.9
Nemanja Bjelica   43   2.92   0.45    1.4   0.0
W Cauley-Stein    40   0.56  -1.23    1.5   0.2
Justin Jackson    37  -1.12  -2.63   -1.8  -4.2
Bogdan Bogdanovic 25   0.33  -1.42   -0.5  -1.5
Iman Shumpert     12  -0.05  -1.15   -0.7  -1.0
Buddy Hield        1  -0.19  -0.57   -1.1  -0.8
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. SAS            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Rudy Gay          38   2.88  -0.24    1.9   1.1
Bryn Forbes       38  -0.16  -2.61   -0.5  -1.0
Marco Belinelli   26  -0.87  -2.79   -0.3  -1.0
Derrick White     10   0.57  -0.42    1.5   1.4
DeMar DeRozan      6   1.54   0.46   -0.2   0.5
Patty Mills        4   0.06   0.35    0.8   0.1

LaMar. Aldridge  -67  -0.34   3.12    0.8   1.8
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. Tor            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Danny Green       53   3.15   0.96    3.8   2.0
Pascal Siakam     53   3.37   0.76    3.3   2.2
Serge Ibaka        6   0.33   0.70    2.4   1.5

Kyle Lowry       -12   5.08   6.31    4.2   4.0
Kawhi Leonard    -33   2.90   5.07    4.0   4.4
Fred VanVleet    -47   1.16   4.37    0.2   1.3
OG Anunoby       -55  -2.94   1.36   -3.3  -1.1
   -35            
. Uta            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Joe Ingles        21   3.70   2.35    1.8   1.7
Jae Crowder       12   0.52  -0.32    0.0  -0.1

Derrick Favors    -4   1.60   1.22   -0.4   0.4
Donovan Mitchell -23   1.45   2.32    0.6   1.4
Rudy Gobert      -27   4.04   5.88    4.3   4.3
Ricky Rubio      -29   0.54   2.04    0.1   1.0
   -51            
. Was            pts+   RPM   MYR    PIPM  MYPI
Jeff Green        14  -0.40  -1.67   -1.3  -1.2

Bradley Beal     -10   1.07   1.87    1.8   1.6
Tomas Satoransky -24  -0.03   2.23   -0.9  -0.8
Markieff Morris  -33  -2.72  -0.55   -2.4  -1.0
John Wall        -37  -0.65   1.05   -0.3   1.2
Otto Porter Jr.  -49   1.14   5.17    1.5   2.6
Trevor Ariza     -63  -2.48  -0.65   -2.6  -0.2
   -202            
The correlation between sum of player improvements and team over-achievment -- relative to average projections in the Team Win Projection Contest thread -- is .80

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Tm   pts+  W+      Tm   pts+   W+
Sac  265   18      Was  -202  -11
Mil  108   12      Hou  -179  -11
OKC  104   -1      GSW  -155   -9
SAS   56    6      Min  -137   -5
Den   53    3      LAL  -109   -2
Orl   45    4      Det   -86   -2
Chi   44   -5      Phl   -83   -2
Por   39    7      Cha   -55    1
Dal   37    8      Uta   -51   -6
Ind   36    5      Cle   -48  -14
NOP   14   -3      Tor   -35   -1
LAC    8    6      Mia   -23   -2
Atl    3    1      Bos   -14   -4
NYK    0   -2      Mem    -8    4
Brk    0    7      Phx    -3   -2
Obvious reasons for some of the outliers? -- OKC, Chi, Cha, Cle ...

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by walker_harris3 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:28 pm

For Charlotte pts added is heavily weighed down by Kemba Walker's -50 which if I had to guess is currently being weighed down by bad recently bad RPM and PIPM estimates as a result of a 6 game stretch where the Hornets went 1-5 and played like the worst team in the NBA (-17.0 point differential) with Cody Zeller injured. I'm pretty sure that stretch has caused a 1.5-2 point drop in his RPM.

I would argue that Kemba is having a career year and that the -50 pts added above expectation is being weighed down by that six game stretch and doesn't accurately reflect his performance on the season. Essentially CLT is an outlier because recent awful play w/o Zeller is an outlier compared to overall season performance, and I would expect his RPM/PIPM to recover as team performance without Zeller improves (won 2 in a row @SAS & vs SAC with vs PHO on saturday) and when Zeller returns.

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Mike G » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:16 pm

Thanks for the inputs.
I also ran these numbers when Kemba had played 29 games, 1006 minutes. His RPM has since slipped from 3.19 to 2.81, PIPM from 1.3 to 1.1, and his deficit -- relative to prior 4.54 and 2.7 -- has grown from -33 to -50. It's really just more of the same, alleviated a bit by reduction of 1.5 mpg in these last 15 G.

The uptick in proficiency must be coming from players below this survey, i.e., 6-14 in the rotation. According to WinShares, Bridges and Graham add about 2 wins. MKG, Willy H, Kaminsky, and Biyombo all look statistically better this year. Bacon and Monk don't look great but still less bad.
I can't find another Cha player who looks to be doing worse this year.

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Crow » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:44 am

Vucevic and Vonleh are interesting cases where teams have to decide whether they want to try to keep or sell. Try to sell high but not not be as high as hoped. D Russell too.

Osman really sucks in a big opportunity on a very bad team. What's next? A trade might help but I doubt the Cavs get offered much in return. Maybe a multiple player deal could satisfy both sides in some fashion.

Variation of sum of player values and expected team performance is some combination of change in player performance over expected, coaching, team inconsistency, luck and metric error.

Drops by Tatum, Oladipo and K Walker and are pretty big. None getting a lot of attention. Tatum's drop some.

Nets lock in Dinwiddie when he is playing less well? Russell up by more. Will be costly to re-sign. Assume they will though, now.

Magic don't have any young improvers. Not a,good look for coaches, player development staff, etc.

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Mike G » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:03 am

It's gotten a bit closer. Additional points created this season (avg of RPM and PIPM improvements) in minutes played.

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pts+   improved       Tm    Min    RPM   myR   PIPM   myP
152   De'Aaron Fox   Sac   1925   2.15  -3.54   1.4  -0.5
136   Paul George    OKC   2163   8.07   3.95   6.3   4.4
113   Jerami Grant   OKC   1982   1.54  -2.73   1.9   0.7
108   Nikola Vucevic Orl   1994   5.53   1.32   4.8   3.8
86  D'Angelo Russell Brk   1926   1.00  -2.59   0.4  -0.3

84   Pascal Siakam   Tor   2007   3.79   0.76   3.9   2.9
80   Brook Lopez     Mil   1768   3.27   0.21   3.8   2.5
71   Jusuf Nurkic    Por   1687   4.61   2.36   5.1   3.3
70   Danny Green     Tor   1760   3.48   0.96   3.4   2.1
68   W Cauley-Stein  Sac   1735   1.44  -1.23   1.7   0.6

pts+   improved       Tm    Min    RPM   myR   PIPM   myP
67   Malcolm Brogdon Mil   1697   2.30   0.41   2.9   1.0
61  Bojan Bogdanovic Ind   2030  -0.39  -2.99  -0.5  -0.8
60   Monte Morris    Den   1513   2.09  -1.73   0.1   0.1
59   Cory Joseph     Ind   1640   1.24  -0.59   1.1  -0.5
58   Zach LaVine     Chi   1960  -0.91  -3.57  -0.7  -0.9

58   Marc Gasol      Tor   1982   3.21   1.30   2.6   1.7
58   Paul Millsap    Den   1338   4.13   0.80   3.4   2.6
56  Ryan Arcidiacono Chi   1557   1.20  -2.17  -0.2  -0.3
56   Emmanuel Mudiay NYK   1165  -1.80  -5.31  -1.4  -2.5
53   Giannis A       Mil   1915   5.94   4.77   6.8   5.3
http://craftednba.com/player-cats/king
West with the top 3, but East has 13 of top 20.
PIPM is almost always less dramatic than RPM, in magnitude and in change. Also with those producing less than career to date:

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pts+   disappointing   Tm    Min    RPM   myR   PIPM   myP
-94   Justin Holiday  Mem   2072  -2.38   0.08  -3.8  -1.9
-87   Chris Paul      Hou   1311   3.63   8.17   3.0   4.8
-81   Klay Thompson   GSW   2096  -0.36   2.07  -0.3   1.0
-76 Russell Westbrook OKC   1964   2.38   5.09   3.3   4.3
-75   Clint Capela    Hou   1643  -0.21   3.30   1.4   2.3

-75   Stephen Curry   GSW   1790   5.09   8.23   5.7   6.6
-73   Otto Porter Jr. Chi   1469   1.11   5.17   2.0   2.7
-73   Ben Simmons     Phl   2118   1.26   3.55   0.5   1.5
-70   Draymond Green  GSW   1496   2.40   5.89   2.7   3.7
-68   Jimmy Butler    Phl   1714   3.90   6.43   1.6   2.9

pts+   disappointing   Tm    Min    RPM   myR   PIPM   myP
-67   Cedi Osman      Cle   1829  -4.13  -1.12  -3.6  -3.1
-66   OG Anunoby      Tor   1085  -2.58   1.36  -3.3  -1.4
-66 Spencer Dinwiddie Brk   1447  -0.78   2.89  -0.7   0.0
-66 Kentavious C-Pope LAL   1468  -1.50   1.49  -2.2  -0.9
-65  Tim Hardaway Jr. Dal   1789  -0.57   1.73  -2.2  -1.0

-65 Patrick Patterson OKC    844  -3.92   1.37  -5.1  -3.0
-65   Jayson Tatum    Bos   1999   0.99   4.20   2.7   2.6
-64   Kyle Anderson   Mem   1281  -0.19   3.57  -0.2   0.8
-63   Kemba Walker    Cha   2192   2.59   4.54   2.3   3.1
-59   Eric Gordon     Hou   1633  -0.77   1.82   0.0   0.9
my = multi-year

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Crow » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:52 pm

This thread has close blended measurement. Better than anything else out there on the topic to my knowledge. So check here or get less.

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Re: improved players 2018-19

Post by Mike G » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:42 pm

Note that De'Aaron Fox's lead has shrunk since Jan., despite his RPM ticking upward and his PIPM remaining steady at 1.4.
Part of this is due to his multi-year PIPM having this season included; so his improvement has dragged it upward from -0.9 to -0.4; and his 1.4 now looks like less improvement.

It's probably ok to have this as a built-in adjustment for the "but 2nd year players should be improving" phenomenon.
Conversely, a player who has been mediocre for several years and suddenly improves, gets full credit for it, as his myPIPM does not proportionally change as much.
I'm just speculating, because I don't actually know where these PIPM come from.

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