2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Thunder 3, Warriors 1
avg score 112.5 - 104.8
pyth wins 2.88 - 1.12, eWins 2.44 - 1.56

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eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
.89 Russell Westbrook OKC   36  .545   29.0   6.5  12.4   1.8   3.8   4.3   .0   2.97
.63   Kevin Durant    OKC   39  .548   28.2   8.2   2.5   2.1   1.9   4.2  1.6   1.97
.46   Stephen Curry   GSW   35  .571   25.9   5.5   4.3   1.6   2.1   4.5   .0   1.58
.31   Klay Thompson   GSW   31  .512   21.9   4.8   2.9   2.7   1.2   2.4   .3   1.21
.29   Andre Roberson  OKC   27  .636   14.6   8.8   1.8   3.4   2.4    .7  1.3   1.29

.26   Steven Adams    OKC   29  .638   14.8  10.7   1.0   3.8    .6   1.0  1.2   1.10
.18   Serge Ibaka     OKC   33  .536   10.6   9.4    .3   3.3   1.4   1.5  1.3    .66
.16   Andre Iguodala  GSW   29  .578   10.6   4.0   3.1   2.1   3.0    .9   .0    .66
.16   Draymond Green  GSW   35  .421    9.2   6.9   4.0   3.1   1.5   3.4  1.3    .54
.15   Festus Ezeli    GSW   10  .585   26.0   8.8   1.5   7.6    .0    .9   .8   1.72

eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
.12   Andrew Bogut    GSW   14  .750    9.5  10.7   4.3   8.6   1.3   2.0  2.0   1.03
.11   Enes Kanter     OKC   15  .463   12.9  12.8   1.3   5.3    .6   3.1  1.1    .87
.07   Dion Waiters    OKC   31  .526   10.4   2.2   3.9   2.5    .3   1.2   .3    .25
.07 Marreese Speights GSW   10  .500   20.9   7.2    .0   7.6    .8   5.1  1.7    .76
.04   Harrison Barnes GSW   33  .641   10.4   4.5   1.3   2.2    .3    .9   .0    .17

.03   Leandro Barbosa GSW    8  .500   11.5   3.1   3.1   3.3   2.2   1.1   .0    .52
.02   Ian Clark       GSW    8  .409    8.4   5.4   4.3   2.3   2.3   3.5   .0    .34
.01  Shaun Livingston GSW   18  .364    5.2   4.6   4.2   2.9    .5   1.0   .0    .07
-.04  Randy Foye      OKC   17  .500    4.8   2.0   1.6   5.0   1.0    .5   .5   -.30
shooting: OKC .545 - .527 GS
rebounds: OKC 49.0 - 41.8 GS
turnovers: OKC 14.5 - 15.3 GS
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Overall has the ewins shares of top 2-3 guys on team vs. rest of team gone up or down by round, compared to regular season and longterm comps? By particular still standing teams and on average? That would be illuminating analysis. A springboard into offensive performance, defensive strategy and performance, team building for regular season vs. playoffs, whether league stars are great, watered down or what right now, etc.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Stars play more minutes in playoffs, esp in closer games. Generally that means more minutes in later rounds.
They also handle competition better than avg/lesser players, between RS and PO. Both these factors indicate more concentration of power at the top.
Occasionally a sub-star will thrive in a series, and a good coach recognizes this and gives him more minutes: Roberson here, Frye in Cle. For every such player, though, several will fade dramatically and/or be dropped from the rotation entirely.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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More concentration of impact at the top would be my assumption but wondered if this year's data was as strong as normal or not. Suspicious that it might be weaker than normal for these final 4 teams on average. I mentioned by ewins but I might check by winshares per 48 minutes later as I can get that data for regular season and playoffs easily and can isolate efficiency from the minute increase.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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This is small and crude but by cumulative ws/48 of top 3 Warriors, last season they slightly outperformed regular season in playoffs. This playoffs, almost a 25% shortfall. Last season top 3 Cavs outperformed regular season by 10% until Love went down. This season outperforming regular season by almost 25%. Thunder big 3 down 10% cumulatively this playoffs vs regular season. Curry and Durant off regular season ws/48 by 50% each in playoffs. Raptors big 3 down too, by 40% overall. Lowry by 65%, DeRozan by 90%. JV improved a bit.

Advantage Cavs.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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DeRozan is a star, shooting .56 to get 24 ppg. Only one teammate in double figures.
His WS/48 are down by 90% -- from .17 to .017, because he can't do that AND stop the other team, and stay out of the negative.

Biyombo is their 3rd guy.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Biyombo has stepped up in playoffs and minutes but JV when playing has a better ws/48 by about 33%. Toronto bigs are the real stars in their playoffs. Lowry is meh and DeRozan very bad on average.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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A stat with good correlation to minutes is eWins. Here are the 2-3 ECFinalist Raps:

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eWins   Raptors       mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk  e480
.54   DeMar DeRozan   36   .559   24.4   3.5   3.0    .8   1.9   .2  1.43
.35   Kyle Lowry      34   .538   19.1   5.5   4.2   1.1   4.3   .0   .97
.29   Bismack Biyombo 32   .630    7.7  13.0    .4    .5   1.0  2.4   .87
.14   Cory Joseph     20   .476   12.9   5.9   3.4   1.0   2.2   .0   .67
.10   James Johnson   13   .667   15.0   6.5   2.2   1.0   2.1   .0   .74

.03   DeMarre Carroll 26   .389    7.3   4.5   1.8   1.1   1.2   .6   .11
.03 Patrick Patterson 28   .529    8.7   3.9   2.5    .5   1.6   .3   .09
.03   Luis Scola      15   .556    9.4   3.2   2.2   1.0    .5   .0   .16
-.01  Terrence Ross   15   .387    8.2   3.3   1.2   1.8   1.9   .0  -.09
DC is obviously worn down with LeBron; these other 3 may be also, but they just haven't done squat among them.

I realize there's no Win Shares per series. They can be extracted.
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Thunder 3, Warriors 2
avg score 112.2 - 107.8
Pyth wins 3.15 - 1.85, eWins 2.82 - 2.18

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eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
1.03 Russell Westbrook OKC  37  .528   27.0   6.5  10.8   2.4   3.9   4.7   .0   2.68
.81   Kevin Durant    OKC   40  .544   27.7   7.7   2.6   2.2   1.7   3.8  1.4   1.95
.65   Stephen Curry   GSW   35  .582   26.6   5.7   4.6   1.2   2.7   4.7   .0   1.78
.40   Klay Thompson   GSW   32  .514   22.3   4.8   2.7   3.0   1.1   2.6   .2   1.21
.31   Andre Roberson  OKC   28  .632   12.4   8.4   2.1   4.2   2.4    .8  1.0   1.07

.30   Steven Adams    OKC   29  .634   13.1  11.0   1.0   3.8    .5   1.1  1.2   1.00
.27   Andrew Bogut    GSW   17  .750   13.3  12.7   3.7   6.9   1.7   2.2  2.2   1.52
.26   Draymond Green  GSW   36  .431    9.0   7.9   3.9   3.2   1.4   3.1  1.8    .68
.24   Serge Ibaka     OKC   34  .558   10.6   8.9    .9   3.0   1.1   1.1  1.0    .67
.20   Andre Iguodala  GSW   30  .592   10.0   3.3   4.2   2.1   2.6   1.0   .2    .64

eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
.15   Festus Ezeli    GSW    9  .600   24.2   8.5   1.4   6.7    .0    .8   .7   1.60
.13 Marreese Speights GSW   10  .562   27.5   7.2    .0   7.6    .7   5.0  1.4   1.25
.09   Enes Kanter     OKC   13  .456   11.4  12.3   1.0   5.7    .5   3.2  1.0    .64
.05   Anthony Morrow  OKC    5  .739   28.6    .0   1.4   2.9    .0   3.0   .0    .97
.03   Harrison Barnes GSW   31  .603    9.6   4.0   1.4   2.4    .5    .7   .0    .10

.03   Leandro Barbosa GSW    8  .500    8.8   2.5   2.5   2.6   3.4    .9   .0    .36
.02   Dion Waiters    OKC   30  .476    7.8   2.8   4.0   2.8    .2   1.2   .2    .07
.02   Brandon Rush    GSW    5  .667    5.2  12.5   1.4   4.4    .0    .0   .0    .42
.02   Ian Clark       GSW    6  .409    8.1   5.3   4.3   2.3   2.3   3.5   .0    .29
.01  Shaun Livingston GSW   17  .393    6.4   4.2   4.3   2.8    .4   1.2   .0    .08
-.07  Randy Foye      OKC   16  .538    5.3   2.2   1.3   4.8    .9   1.4   .4   -.43
shooting: .544 - .544
rebounds: OKC 48.2 - 42.4 GS
turnovers: OKC 15.0 - 15.4 GS
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Thunder 3, Warriors 3
avg score 110.3 - 107.8
Pyth wins 3.45 - 2.55, eWins 3.23 - 2.77

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eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
1.20 Russell Westbrook OKC  38  .511   26.1   6.6  10.7   3.8   4.6   .0   2.52
.90   Kevin Durant    OKC   41  .515   26.4   7.3   2.6   1.6   3.6  1.6   1.78
.88   Stephen Curry   GSW   36  .579   27.8   6.2   5.4   2.5   4.3   .0   1.95
.59   Klay Thompson   GSW   33  .547   25.9   4.5   2.2   1.1   2.3   .4   1.42
.38   Andre Roberson  OKC   28  .670   13.8   8.6   1.7   2.2   1.3  1.4   1.08

.36   Draymond Green  GSW   37  .449    9.6   8.2   4.3   1.6   3.0  1.6    .78
.33   Steven Adams    OKC   29  .616   13.1  11.1   1.0    .6   1.3  1.0    .92
.30   Andrew Bogut    GSW   19  .667   11.8  11.1   4.2   1.3   2.0  2.3   1.25
.28   Serge Ibaka     OKC   35  .550   10.4   8.9    .7    .9    .9  1.3    .64
.24   Andre Iguodala  GSW   31  .576    9.6   3.9   3.7   2.6   1.0   .2    .61

eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
.16   Festus Ezeli    GSW    8  .614   27.8   8.4   1.4    .0   1.5   .7   1.67
.13   Enes Kanter     OKC   13  .507   14.2  12.1    .9    .5   3.3  1.3    .83
.11 Marreese Speights GSW    9  .506   24.1   7.6    .0    .6   5.1  1.2    .94
.06   Harrison Barnes GSW   31  .615   10.3   3.6   1.4    .8   1.0   .0    .15
.03   Leandro Barbosa GSW    7  .500    8.9   2.4   2.6   3.4    .9   .0    .40

.00   Dion Waiters    OKC   31  .457    6.5   3.0   3.5    .4   1.0   .2    .00
-.00 Shaun Livingston GSW   17  .344    5.1   3.9   4.6    .3   1.4   .0   -.01
-.08  Randy Foye      OKC   14  .538    5.0   2.0   1.2    .8   1.7   .4   -.45
shooting: GS .539 - .532 OKC
rebounds: OKC 48.3 - 42.8 GS
turnovers: GS 15.0 - 15.3 OKC
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Re: 2016 Western Playoffs rounds 2-3

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Warriors 4, Thunder 3
avg score: OKC 107.1 - 106.1 GS
pyth wins 3.72 - 3.28, eWins 3.61 - 3.39

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eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
1.35 Russell Westbrook OKC  39  .499   24.3   6.3  10.5   2.3   3.4   4.2   .0   2.36
1.20  Stephen Curry   GSW   37  .602   31.4   5.9   5.6   1.4   2.1   4.1   .0   2.24
1.06  Kevin Durant    OKC   41  .529   26.6   6.8   2.5   2.1   1.5   3.2  1.4   1.76
.67   Klay Thompson   GSW   34  .541   24.5   4.5   1.9   2.7   1.1   2.0   .5   1.33
.41   Draymond Green  GSW   38  .434    9.1   8.2   4.3   3.6   1.5   2.8  1.7    .76

.37   Steven Adams    OKC   29  .569   12.7  11.0   1.1   3.8    .5   1.3   .9    .88
.35   Andre Roberson  OKC   30  .573   10.5   8.9   1.4   3.9   1.8   1.1  1.3    .81
.31   Andrew Bogut    GSW   18  .654   11.3  11.0   3.8   5.8   1.2   1.8  2.0   1.16
.30   Serge Ibaka     OKC   36  .558   10.7   7.8    .7   2.9    .7    .8  1.2    .58
.24   Andre Iguodala  GSW   33  .556    8.9   3.8   3.6   1.8   2.2   1.0   .2    .49

eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
.19   Enes Kanter     OKC   12  .519   16.3  12.3    .8   5.7    .4   2.9  1.5   1.07
.16   Festus Ezeli    GSW    8  .587   23.4   8.9   1.2   6.4    .0   2.4   .6   1.30
.12 Marreese Speights GSW    9  .506   24.8   7.6    .0   8.6    .6   5.3  1.1    .98
.12   Harrison Barnes GSW   29  .592   10.2   4.6   1.6   2.5   1.1   1.1   .0    .27
.04   Leandro Barbosa GSW    6  .500    9.9   3.0   2.4   3.2   3.2    .8   .0    .50

.04   Anthony Morrow  OKC    4  .680   25.4    .0   1.2   2.5    .0   2.6   .0    .75
.04  Shaun Livingston GSW   16  .370    5.8   5.2   4.4   3.3    .3   1.2   .3    .17
.03  Anderson Varejao GSW    3  .667   10.3   8.9   3.1   4.6    .0    .0   .0    .71
.03   Ian Clark       GSW    4  .409    8.7   5.5   4.7   2.3   2.3   3.5   .0    .43
.02   Brandon Rush    GSW    3  .667    5.7  12.8   1.5   4.5    .0    .0   .0    .50

eWins   per36 rates   tm   mpg   Eff%   Sco   Reb   Ast    PF   Stl   TO   Blk   e480
-.01  Kyle Singler    OKC    3  .200    1.2   5.0    .0   1.7   1.7    .0   .0   -.34
-.02  Dion Waiters    OKC   31  .421    5.9   3.1   3.3   2.3    .3   1.0   .3   -.05
-.08  Randy Foye      OKC   12  .538    5.2   2.0   1.2   4.5    .8   1.7   .4   -.44
shooting: GS .537 - .521 OKC
rebounds: OKC 48.1 - 43.1 GS
turnovers: OKC 13.9 - 14.7 GS
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