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Draymond talking about winning championship.

Warriors listed in 12th place to win title on line used by BRef.
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No way Kuminga should still be on Warriors after trade deadline.

He doesn't fit. Awful +/- in playoffs every time. Bad with Butler. Meh or less with most. Good with Curry in regular season became just mild positive in playoffs. Not enough.

Current standoff. Neither of two main outcomes is that good for Warriors.

Have they worked 3+ team deals hard? That is what I would have been trying.

Kuminga to Kings? Would have absolutely no qualms about that. He isn't going to help them win. Shouldn't care how many points he puts up but apparently they do. From business marketing perspective? I wouldn't.

They have plenty of issues beyond Kuminga but get rid of him. If still trying to contend for a title, shift focus to the several or many things needed for even a plausible case for that. Quite unlikely but get after it. I'd be willing to trade anyone on roster besides Curry or expected in if the fit doesn't take hold early.

Trading Curry is not considered an option by them but I would consider it next summer depending on what happens this playoffs. I would be very open to trading Butler if a good offer came.
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Kerr ended at 740 lineups used last season. None over 3 minutes per game for season, only 2 over 1 minute on average, only 5 over 30 seconds / gm / season.

More this season? Seems likely.
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Kerr uses 1338 different quads in rs. About 30% more than league average.
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Curry Butler Kuminga Green Horford was used in a crucial late stretch last night and worked.

The quad with Horford was barely tested last season and this season and was bad in both overall.

This is an obvious group to test thoroughly to find out what happens on average.

It shouldn't be a spur of moment, heat of battle suggestion, imo.

Consider all combinations of key players and prioritize which to test most orcat all. Can't adequately test that many, so pick carefully and adjust based on results.
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7th best offensive efficiency, 6th worst defense. 3-1 but only 16th best net margin.

Solid lineup results at top but issues lower down.
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Kuminga

career best 3pt fg%, Efg%, ts%, ft%. 2pt fg% recovered from career low last season

very weak / career low fg% at the rim but career best from 3-10 feet and well above at the rim fg%

best rebounding

60% increase in turnover rate

20% decline in usage

lowest stock rate

worst D-BPM

overall BPM just modestly above career low and 130% worse than last season.

best raw +/- on and on / off

for 10 most used lineups, it is 5 strong, 5 weak, nothing in between

generally great pairs with starters, mostly terrible with bench

team stat level detail with and without shows generally better stats with except 40% less stocks

15 pt improvement in team offensive efficiency with vs without. 6 pts worse on defense.
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7 of 10 Horford pairs are negative so far, almost all badly.

13 of 13 Richard pairs are negative. Almost all very badly.

About half of Moody and Kuminga pairs are negative, entirely with bench players.
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Kerr has used 189 lineups in 14 games or an average 13.5 brand new lineups every game.

3 most used lineups average +16.6 pts / 48 min. but combine for just 10 minutes per game. The other 186 dinks and a few near dinks average -3.4.


Curry - Kuminga time is slightly negative.
Butler - Green is ok at +3 but still 3rd worst of 10 most used.

Podziemski - Kuminga is worst in top 10 at almost -6. Was -1 last season. Monitor, de-emphasize or eliminate? Certainly do first, I'd do 2nd as well and could move to 3rd if weak results persist much longer. Podz- Moody is doing great, so do more of that. With Hield is bad, so probably do less of that.

Butler - Kuminga is ok but just ok is not what you really want in this push for contention. I'd trade Kuminga is they make / get a good offer.

Curry and Green both only meh with Moody overall and yet Kerr put him in starting lineup 4 of last 6 games. 2 -2 record and same split for Moody's team +/- is ok but not recommending. Podz is good choice for starting group.

Good results with Post with all but a few bench players.

Horford negative with most and very bad with Currry and Green so far and much worse with Kuminga. By the early numbers, he probably should play more with Podz, Butler and Post, his main positive pair partners. And yet... he hasn't for a single second yet. 456 quads used but not that one. With Moody usually works.

Still small samples but several quads in 25 most used should be reviewed and possibly de-emphasized or eliminated. If winning regular games is the sole focus. It probably isn't. Working on bad lineups to try to make them good is a plausible rationale if you aren't that concerned with playoff seeding.

They have 8 main guys but not much beyond that. If they can upgrade the lower portion of the 8 or the deep bench, they should.

Will Richard has good individual stats and praise from Kerr but has terrible team results: -10 team +/- on court, -15 on / off. 12th and 13th best. Better improve if he & they want playoff time. The only good bigger minute lineups have heavy bench presence. He is best with Podz and Horford.


Curry less than +1 on court and neutral on / off isn't anywhere near good enough. It is in fact the biggest issue. 4 biggest trios are fine and 9 of 12 biggest but too much garbage in the other dozens used. Concentrate... or not if Kerr doesn't want to / won't. Exploring dink lineups may have dome value but the cost of less testing / less meaningful testing of bigger, more important lineups is too high a price for me. There is a fairly reasonable balance zone, but this isn't it or anywhere close.

If the big 3 aren't on court together, the good options are Curry with Green or Butler alone. Curry alone without the other 2 is -29 / 100p so far. Curry alone was +1 last season. Far better and may suggest it improves but even if it returned all the way to last season form, it was only meh. Use what can that works better.
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