Page 9 of 24
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:25 am
by Mike G
Players to have averaged 35 Pts/100 poss. while shooting .650 TS%
Code: Select all
35-65 yr Pts/100 TS% Ast% TO% Usg% ORtg DRtg
Dantley 1984 37.1 .652 16.2 12.4 28.2 126 112
Barkley 1988 35.7 .665 14.1 15.2 26.7 126 108
Amar'e 2008 36.9 .656 7.5 10.3 28.2 124 104
Curry 2016 42.5 .669 33.7 12.9 32.6 125 103
Curry 2017 37.9 .661 27.6 13.0 29.6 123 107
Durant 2017 37.5 .681 22.0 10.3 27.6 129 101
Durant with both highest ORtg and lowest DRtg. Tied for best TO%, and with 3X the assists Amar'e had.
Change from 35/100 to 25+ pts/36 min, and it's the same list plus Dantley in '83. Nobody before that.
Players with 35 pts/100 and .600 TS% and >40 Ast%
Code: Select all
35-60-40 yr Pts/100 TS% Ast% TO% Usg% ORtg DRtg
LeBron 2010 40.0 .604 41.8 12.3 33.5 121 102
Harden 2017 38.1 .605 53.8 19.0 33.9 120 109
That was LeBron's first trip over .600 and >.250 3PA rate. Career high Ast% until this season.
Last night's games are not included in these 2017 rates.
http://bkref.com/tiny/UmKKm
LeBron has more
MVP Award Shares than the next 3 active players combined (Durant, Curry, Nowitzki)
Re: Trivia
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:08 pm
by Mike G
As of today, Anthony Davis ranks tied for 6th in career blocks through his age-23 season; behind Josh Smith, Shaq, Dwight, Ibaka, and Shawn Bradley.
Andrei Kirilenko in his first 4 seasons also had 685 blocks, and also in 281 games.
http://bkref.com/tiny/yno1Z
Of these, only Shaq and Dwight had more points at this age; only Smith and Kirilenko more steals; only Ibaka with lower turnover rates.
AD's .785 FT% ranks only behind AK's .786 -- the actual difference is .0006
Davis better than Shaq?
PER 26.7 - 26.6
WS/48 .209 - .208
BPM 4.4 - 5.0
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:02 pm
by Mike G
After 24 games, the Pacers have been credited with assists on .606 of their FG in 11 road games. This is .050 higher than league avg.
At home, their Ast/FG ratio is just .533 -- and this is .051 less than league norm at home.
With an away/home Ast/FG ratio of 1.14, it's as if 1/7 of home assists are not being counted.
Meanwhile, their shotblocking at home is a league-high .082 of opponents' FGA. On the road it's just .046 -- in the bottom 5 of rates.
This suggests that almost 40% of those home blocks would not be blocks in opponent venues.
League-wide, team scorekeepers are behaving pretty well these days. Ast/FG are on avg 3.4% inflated at home, while blocks are 6.6% higher (per opp. FGA).
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:47 pm
by bchaikin
currently the 3 players to have played the most minutes on the lakers are all reserves - jordan clarkson (728 min/3 starts), brandon ingram (673/7), and lou williams (627/0)...
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:09 pm
by Mike G
Lou Williams is the Lakers' top scorer, with 33% more points than anyone else; leads the team in assists; and this is in just 25 mpg.
In his last 4 games, he has 137 points in just 126 total minutes.
We recently saw an incredible mark in points per minute. Since 1983-84, most point in fewest minutes, one game:
Code: Select all
pts min player date
81 42 Kobe 01-22-06
62 33 Kobe 12-20-05
60 29 K Thompson 12-05-16
42 27 Gervin 11-10-84
41 26 Ewing 04-13-88
40 24 Floyd 02-26-91
38 21 Q Dailey 01-28-86
36 20 Kiki 04-15-88
30 19 Durant 12-18-14
26 16 I Thomas 12-14-12
24 10 H James 04-15-97
Henry James (Atl) got his 24/10 vs the Nets in a game the Nets led by 19 after the 3rd, Atl winning by 8.
James' 10 minutes were the fewest of any Hawks player in the game, and his 24 pts led them.
(Nets dropped to 24-55; they may have been tanking.)
So Klay Thompson is the only player with more than 2 points/min AND >24 points in a game, since 1983 at least.
Karl Malone just misses the list with 61 pts in 33 min. -- a 48-pt win over a good Bucks team.
EDIT -- 60 pts in 29 min is a rate of 100 pts in 48.3 minutes -- what the Clippers average.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:09 am
by Mike G
It seems there is an explosion in prolific scorers this season. The perennial greats are still great, and there are several players who were very good and now seem to be elite.
In points per 100 possessions, the top 100 in the last 20 years are all 35.5 or better Pts/100. In 20 years, that would be an avg of 5 per year. Limited to those going 24+ mpg:
Code: Select all
year # 35.5 Pts/100
1998 3 Shaq, Jordan, Malone
1999 1 Shaq
2000 3 Shaq, Malone, Iverson
2001 5 Iverson, Shaq, Stack, Carter, Kobe
2002 3 Shaq, Iverson, Jordan
2003 3 McGrady, Shaq, Kobe
2004 1 McGrady
2005 5 J O'Neal, Iverson, Amar'e, Kobe, Carter
2006 10 Kobe, Ivy, LBJ, Dirk, Wade, Melo, Gil, TMac, Pierce, Yao
2007 9 Kobe, Yao, Wade, Melo, Arenas, Dirk, TMac, Redd, Zach
2008 3 LeBron, Amar'e, Kobe
2009 5 Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, Granger
2010 5 LeBron, Durant, Wade, Melo, Kobe
2011 7 Kobe, Durant, Martin, LeBron, Wade, Melo, Rose
2012 3 Kobe, LeBron, Durant
2013 4 Melo, Durant, LeBron, Kobe
2014 5 Durant, LeBron, Melo, Westbrook, Cousins
2015 8 Westy, Durant, Harden, LeBron, Wade, Melo, Curry, DMC
2016 5 Curry, Durant, Harden, Cousins, LeBron
2017 11 Westy, DMC, I Thomas, DeRozan, A Davis, Lillard, Harden,
. Lou Williams, Kawhi, Embiid, Durant
Of course some of the 11 could drop off; but Durant is at 36.2, the rest >36.7
Waiting in the wings are Curry (35.3), Irving, Love, LeBron, and Butler, all >34.0 pts/100
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:57 pm
by Mike G
Another way to look at this year's outburst of PPG outbursts: How many years since each franchise had a higher PPG player for a season.
In a normal 2-season interval, we could expect half of team-high scorers to be in year 1, half in yr 2. But there only 4 teams with PPG leaders less than last season.
Of those remaining, 2/3 of teams should not contain their highest scorer in 3 years; but 25/26 of those teams go back further.
Language fails, so here's a table of #yrs since each team had a higher PPG by someone else:
Code: Select all
yrs 2016-17 PPG pos tm PPG PPG yr player
47 LeBron James SF Cle 25.5
44 DeMarcus Cousins C Sac 29.1 34.0 1973 Nate Archibald
35 James Harden PG Hou 27.4 31.1 1982 Moses Malone
32 Carmelo Anthony SF NYK 22.5 32.9 1985 Bernard King
29 Isaiah Thomas PG Bos 27.0 29.9 1988 Larry Bird
28 Damian Lillard PG Por 27.0 27.2 1989 Clyde Drexler
27 Anthony Davis PF NOP 29.7
16 DeMar DeRozan SG Tor 27.8 27.6 2001 Vince Carter
15 Kawhi Leonard SF SAS 24.3 25.5 2002 Tim Duncan
15 Gordon Hayward SF Uta 22.0 22.4 2002 Karl Malone
13 Kemba Walker PG Cha 22.6
11 Blake Griffin PF LAC 21.2 24.7 2006 Elton Brand
10 John Wall PG Was 23.5 28.4 2007 Gilbert Arenas
10 G. Antetokounmpo SG Mil 23.4 26.7 2007 Michael Redd
8 Joel Embiid C Phl 18.4 18.8 2009 Andre Iguodala
7 Paul George SF Ind 21.7 24.1 2010 Danny Granger
6 Jimmy Butler SF Chi 24.4 25.0 2011 Derrick Rose
6 Marc Gasol C Mem 20.0 20.1 2011 Zach Randolph
5 Brook Lopez C Brk 20.4 21.0 2012 Deron Williams
5 Paul Millsap PF Atl 17.6 18.6 2012 Joe Johnson
4 Lou Williams SG LAL 18.9 27.3 2013 Kobe Bryant
3 Russell Westbrook PG OkC 31.8 32.0 2014 Kevin Durant
3 Karl-Anthony Towns C Min 22.1 26.1 2014 Kevin Love
3 Harrison Barnes SF Dal 20.6 21.7 2014 Dirk Nowitzki
3 Eric Bledsoe PG Phx 20.0 20.3 2014 Goran Dragic
2 Goran Dragic PG Mia 19.3 21.5 2015 Dwyane Wade
1 Kevin Durant SF GSW 25.9 30.1 2016 Stephen Curry
1 Evan Fournier SG Orl 17.8 18.2 2016 Nikola Vucevic
1 Wilson Chandler SF Den 16.9 19.5 2016 Danilo Gallinari
1 Tobias Harris PF Det 15.9 18.8 2016 Reggie Jackson
LeBron has the 9 highest PPG years for the Cavs. The most recent higher one was 7 yrs ago.
Davis has the franchise high PPG for the Hornets/Pelicans, and Walker has the highest for the Bobcats/Hornets, in those franchise histories.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:13 pm
by Mike G
Three teams this year have 3 players averaging 20+ PPG -- The Cavs (Irving is #2), the Warriors (K Thompson is #3), and the Wolves -- Wiggins, Towns, and LaVine, all in the 21-22 range. In each case, their Big 3 have scored 59-62% of their points.
Here are the best #2 scorers, #3, and so on per team. Not filtered for # of games played.
Code: Select all
# player tm PPG # player tm PPG
2 Stephen Curry GSW 24.4
3 Kevin Love Cle 21.9 10 Jamal Murray Den 9.0
4 Nick Young LAL 14.3 11 Richaun Holmes Phl 6.9
5 Marcus Morris Det 13.2 12 Hollis Thompson Phl 5.7
6 Justise Winslow Mia 11.8 13 Reggie Williams NOP 5.0
7 James Johnson Mia 10.6 14 Archie Goodwin NOP 5.0
8 Josh Richardson Mia 10.1 15 Alexis Ajinca NOP 4.5
9 Dario Saric Phl 9.1 16 Anthony Brown NOP 3.8
Does not include yesterday's games.
And here are the
lowest PPG for scoring rank on a team:
Code: Select all
# player tm PPG # player tm PPG
2 Nicolas Batum Cha 14.2 8 Shaun Livingston GSW 4.8
3 Greg Monroe Mil 9.3 9 Bobby Portis Chi 4.2
4 Ty Lawson Sac 7.9 10 Shabazz Napier Por 3.2
5 Andre Roberson OkC 7.2 11 Jakob Poeltl Tor 2.4
6 JaVale McGee GSW 5.9 12 Fred VanVleet Tor 1.4
7 Andre Iguodala GSW 5.7 13 Bruno Caboclo Tor .6
Re: Trivia
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:29 am
by Mike G
Player-seasons of at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 assists per 36 minutes; minimum 1000 min.
Code: Select all
30-10-3 yr Pts Reb Ast
Baylor 1962 31.0 15.1 3.8
Cousins 2017 30.2 10.8 3.6
Westbrook 2017 32.6 10.7 11.2
Baylor qualifies 3 times at 29 Pts/36
At 2.5 Ast/36, Wilt is in once (1963).
Relaxing Reb/36 to 9.0 adds nobody.
At 29-10-2.5, we get Karl Malone 1990.
Pts/36 of 29 or 30 is the elite part of the mix. Drop it to 25-10-3, and we have 24 such occurances.
Kareem has 5 such seasons, Cousins and Baylor each have 4; Pettit, Wilt, Shaq, and Malone 2 each; McAdoo, Love, and Westbrook once (incl. this year).
Other years with 2 such players: 1961 and '62 (Baylor and Pettit), and 2014 (Cousins and Love).
Re: Trivia
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:52 pm
by rlee
Shockingly Insightful News: In the NBA, if a team doubles the scoring output of its opponent over a significant early portion of a game, it is quite likely to wind up winning!!!!!
Read it here from Elias Bureau:
The Magic jumped out to a 51–25 lead midway through the second quarter. Including Orlando’s win Monday night, NBA teams that score 50 points before giving up more than 25 points are 201–1 over the last 20 seasons, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The only loss over that span was suffered by the Magic, in the last game in which they took that kind of lead. On Jan. 26, 2012, Orlando led Boston 52–25 and suffered a 91–83 defeat.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:59 pm
by Mike G
I guess the Magic broke their streak of losing games in which they have a >50-25 lead.
There's still just one final score with a team doubling the output of their opponent: Ind 124-59 Por, on 2-27-98.
http://bkref.com/tiny/Tac7W
The Blazers had just beaten the Bulls in Chicago -- one of only 4 home losses for the eventual champs. It was their first win over the Bulls
with Jordan since game 4 in the 1992 Finals, an 0-10 streak.
So they followed their best game in years with the worst game in history.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:34 pm
by Mike G
Just 13 players in NBA/ABA history have
by age 28 reached 12,000 points, 2500 rebounds, and 2500 assists in RS, and with ORtg/DRtg > 1.03 -- Oscar and West and these guys:
Code: Select all
per100: years Pts Reb Ast ORtg DRt
Erving 1972-79 30.3 16.5 5.6 111 97
Magic 1980-88 24.3 9.3 14.0 119 104
Drexler 1984-91 28.3 8.4 7.9 114 105
Jordan 1985-92 41.5 8.1 7.7 121 104
Garnett 1996-05 27.9 15.3 6.3 110 100
Kobe 1997-07 35.4 7.5 6.5 112 105
McGrady 1998-08 33.5 9.3 7.1 108 103
LeBron 2004-13 36.9 9.7 9.3 116 102
Durant 2008-17 36.9 9.6 5.1 117 105
Westbrook 2009-17 32.8 8.8 11.6 109 105
Harden 2010-17 32.4 7.2 8.0 118 106
For Dr. J, that's 5 yrs in the ABA + 3 NBA
LeBron is 3rd in everything.
http://bkref.com/tiny/eQl31
I'm guessing that Oscar and West would meet the 1.03 O/D ratio.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:21 pm
by Mike G
Who's the weakest MVP in NBA history? I wondered if it could be Derrick Rose?
Here's a ranking of MVP winners in terms of their career Win Shares and VORP, from b-r.com
Ranking formula = (WS +2.5*vorp)/2
The top 400 career VORP players average 2.77 times as many WS as their VORP.
Among mvp winners, the ratio is 2.26; so I went with 2.5 coefficient to equalize their weight.
MVP winners since 1974 on the left; top never-mvp's on the right.
Code: Select all
WV mvp's WS VORP WV not mvp WS VORP
245 K Malone 235 103 186 Stockton 208 66
244 Kareem 273 86 167 Kidd 139 78
242 LeBron 201 113 166 Reggie 174 63
238 Jordan 214 104 162 Paul 151 70
215 Duncan 206 89 162 Drexler 136 76
213 Garnett 191 94 152 Pierce 150 62
205 Barkley 177 94 152 Payton 146 63
190 Robinson 179 81 150 Pippen 125 70
183 Shaq 182 74 145 R Allen 145 58
182 Nowitzki 200 66 134 P Gasol 134 53
178 Hakeem 163 77 131 Wade 117 58
176 Kobe 173 72 128 Vince 121 54
175 Magic 156 77 128 Marion 125 52
173 Bird 146 80 125 Parish 147 42
138 Moses 167 43 122 Dantley 134 44
118 Erving 106 52 115 Nance 110 48
117 Durant 119 46 115 Ho Grant 118 44
105 Iverson 99 44 114 Ewing 126 41
104 Nash 130 31 112 McGrady 97 51
90 Curry 80 40 111 Brand 110 45
78 McAdoo 89 27 111 Wilkins 118 42
76 Cowens 86 26 111 Lanier 117 42
46 Walton 39 21 110 Ginobili 103 46
30 D Rose 33 11 109 Sikma 113 42
These are regular season only. Some oddities for players whose VORP only goes back to 1974, but their WS go back earlier.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:57 am
by Mike G
Rose picked up 13 of his 33 (to date) career Win Shares in his MVP season, 2010-11. That's 39% of his career WS.
He got 6.0 of his as-yet 10.5 VORP, 57%
It's not really his fault that he won MVP or got injured or failed to recover any semblance of his all-NBA form. But even that one year, did he even arguably deserve to win it?
Code: Select all
2010-11 PER WS WS/48 BPM VORP W%
LeBron 27.3 15.6 .244 8.6 8.2 .707
Paul 23.7 13.9 .232 6.4 6.1 .561
Rose 23.5 13.1 .208 5.9 6.0 .756
P Gasol 23.3 14.7 .232 5.3 5.6 .695
Dwight 26.1 14.4 .235 4.8 5.0 .634
The almighty Team Win% did it.
Rose doesn't actually show up in the list of players who have hit 6.0 vorp in a year, so he must be a bit under.
http://bkref.com/tiny/xNyRh
These others have done it more than once; MVP winners again on the left:
Code: Select all
VORP > 6.0
11 LeBron 6 Drexler
10 Jordan 6 Pippen
10 Malone 4 Paul
8 Barkley 3 Harden
8 Bird 3 Wade
8 Robinson 3 Westbrook
7 + Kareem 2 Brand
7 Garnett 2 + Frazier
6 Magic 2 + Lanier
4 Duncan 2 McGrady
3 Curry 2 Payton
3 Durant
3 Erving
3 Shaq
3 Hakeem
2 Kobe
2 Nowitzki
1 + McAdoo
Hitting 6.0 just one time: Arenas, Blaylock, Carter, Francis, Ho Grant, Penny, G Hill, Kidd, Kirilenko, Kawhi, Lever, Love, Lowry, Marion, Noah, Alvin Robertson, and Webber.
Cowens, Walton, Moses, Iverson, and Nash also miss the list, among MVP winners.
Other than Moses, those MVP's also never reached Rose's peak of 13 Win Shares:
Code: Select all
WS > 13
12 Malone 9 Stockton
11 LeBron 5 Paul
11 Jordan 3 Ewing
8 Robinson 3 Dwight
6 + Kareem 3 Wade
6 Bird 2 Billups
6 Duncan 2 Brand
6 Nowitzki 2 Dantley
6 Shaq 2 P Gasol
5 Barkley 2 Harden
4 Kobe 2 Marion
4 Durant 2 Moncrief
4 Garnett 2 Amar'e
4 Magic
4 Moses
3 Curry
2 Erving
2 + McAdoo
2 Olajuwon
18 others have collected 13+ WS in a single season since 1974.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:08 pm
by Mike G
Most of these are ensemble teams. Ivy's Sixers not so much, though some role players had career years.
Code: Select all
'74 Bos PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Havlicek 17.4 9.7 .151 2.7 3.7
Cowens 16.6 9.3 .134 2.6 3.9
P Silas 14.5 7.7 .141 1.3 2.2
JJ White 14.0 7.3 .108 - .1 1.6
Nelson 16.1 5.9 .162 - .1 .8
'77 Por PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Walton 22.9 10.2 .215 7.0 5.1
M Lucas 18.3 8.7 .147 1.8 2.7
Twardzik 16.3 7.5 .186 4.2 3.1
Gross 16.2 7.4 .159 3.7 3.2
Steele 16.3 5.2 .148 1.5 1.5
'01 Phl PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Iverson 24.0 11.8 .190 4.8 5.1
Lynch 12.4 6.5 .118 2.3 2.9
McKie 15.1 5.9 .118 1.9 2.4
T Hill 12.4 5.5 .111 -1.7 .2
Ratliff 16.3 5.2 .138 3.3 2.4
'05 Phx PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Amar'e 26.6 14.6 .243 3.4 3.9
Marion 21.7 12.5 .191 4.9 5.5
Nash 22.0 10.9 .203 1.7 2.4
J Johnson 15.1 7.6 .112 2.3 3.5
Q Rich 13.6 5.8 .098 1.9 2.8
'06 Phx PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Marion 23.6 14.6 .214 5.3 5.9
Nash 23.3 12.4 .212 3.7 4.0
Diaw 17.3 8.9 .149 3.1 3.7
Bell 12.9 6.8 .110 1.8 2.8
J Jones 13.2 4.0 .110 - .3 .7
'11 Chi PER WS ws/48 BPM VORP
Rose 23.5 13.1 .208 5.9 6.0
Deng 15.5 9.9 .149 2.2 3.4
Noah 18.8 6.7 .205 4.9 2.8
Boozer 18.8 5.8 .149 .7 1.3
R Brewer 13.8 5.4 .147 1.8 1.7