Re: Kobe Bryant's Defense
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:15 pm
permaximum, I was neither referring to you, nor disagreeing with you on the basis point of Kobe Bryant's actual (as opposed to potential) defensive performance. To the contrary.
And now let me try to provide a bit of evidence for my (everyone's?) thesis that there is an energy budget constraint that imposes a significant trade-off between effort expended on offense and elite defensive performance. Specifically, let's look at Kobe Bryant-esque, high-volume shooters, across all positions, and see what their realized performance is at the defensive end.
During his NBA All-Defensive years, 1999-00 to 2011-12, KB averaged over 20 FGA per game. So, let's take that as the chucking threshold. And then let's consider DBPM as the defensive performance measure (not because it is the preferred measure, compared to DxRAPM, but because it is the best measure that is available over all the years of interest). And let's look at all complete years since 1979-80 (arbitrarily selected to correspond with perceptions of the "modern" NBA), so 36 seasons in all.
So, one question we can pose is: in all of these years, how many instances are there where high-volume shooting Forwards and Guards have the 1st through 4th highest DBPM, what we can consider as meriting "All-Defensive" 1st and 2nd team status, and, correspondingly, 1st and 2nd highest DBPM for Centers?
In short, the answer is "scant few'.
Anyone want to guess for Guards? Well, there's Michael Jordan, three times (seasons ending in 1988, 1989, and 1991) and Russell Westbrook in 2015. Regarding the latter however, there's a large anomaly between DBPM and RPM which gives him a rating of -0.71 as compared to 2.2. So, a question mark there, and frankly I'm a bit suspicious of MJ's numbers as well. Not just because the (quarter-based) 1991 xRAPM shows a rating of 1.1 as compared to a DBPM of 1.8, but because defense is a learned art, and I expect that MJ's early-career stats might be inflating his true value.
Top 4 DBPM Forwards? There are but two...and none since 1987. Larry Bird twice: in 1985 he ranked 3rd, and in 1987 4th. And then Dr. J in 1980 when he finished 4th.
And Top 2 Centers? Technically (by the rules imposed) there is but no instance in all 36 years, though the better argument is that one should count. The year in question is 1994, when Hakeem and David Robinson were ranked 3rd and 5th (with Dikembe ranked first) but a rather strong argument would be made that they were competing for 2nd Team All-NBA as the 2nd and 4th ranked players (Oliver Miller and Jon Koncak) played far fewer minutes. (And then in 1995, Hakeem was ranked third, just behind David Robinson who didn't meet the shot attempt threshold.)
So, there you have it for the heights of defensive accomplishment for high-volume shooters over the last 36 years: one guard - Michael Jordan, twice meriting 1st Team All-Defense and once 2nd Team; two forwards, with 2nd Team honors - Larry Bird twice and Dr. J once; and one center - Hakeem, getting one 2nd Team mention.
Summarized another way, over the last 36 years, there were 360 slots in total for 1st and 2nd Team Defensive honors. High-volume shooters, who tend to be the the most athletically gifted and physically impressive players in the league, "earned" but 2% of them. And none in the last 21 years!
Interesting, no?
And now let me try to provide a bit of evidence for my (everyone's?) thesis that there is an energy budget constraint that imposes a significant trade-off between effort expended on offense and elite defensive performance. Specifically, let's look at Kobe Bryant-esque, high-volume shooters, across all positions, and see what their realized performance is at the defensive end.
During his NBA All-Defensive years, 1999-00 to 2011-12, KB averaged over 20 FGA per game. So, let's take that as the chucking threshold. And then let's consider DBPM as the defensive performance measure (not because it is the preferred measure, compared to DxRAPM, but because it is the best measure that is available over all the years of interest). And let's look at all complete years since 1979-80 (arbitrarily selected to correspond with perceptions of the "modern" NBA), so 36 seasons in all.
So, one question we can pose is: in all of these years, how many instances are there where high-volume shooting Forwards and Guards have the 1st through 4th highest DBPM, what we can consider as meriting "All-Defensive" 1st and 2nd team status, and, correspondingly, 1st and 2nd highest DBPM for Centers?
In short, the answer is "scant few'.
Anyone want to guess for Guards? Well, there's Michael Jordan, three times (seasons ending in 1988, 1989, and 1991) and Russell Westbrook in 2015. Regarding the latter however, there's a large anomaly between DBPM and RPM which gives him a rating of -0.71 as compared to 2.2. So, a question mark there, and frankly I'm a bit suspicious of MJ's numbers as well. Not just because the (quarter-based) 1991 xRAPM shows a rating of 1.1 as compared to a DBPM of 1.8, but because defense is a learned art, and I expect that MJ's early-career stats might be inflating his true value.
Top 4 DBPM Forwards? There are but two...and none since 1987. Larry Bird twice: in 1985 he ranked 3rd, and in 1987 4th. And then Dr. J in 1980 when he finished 4th.
And Top 2 Centers? Technically (by the rules imposed) there is but no instance in all 36 years, though the better argument is that one should count. The year in question is 1994, when Hakeem and David Robinson were ranked 3rd and 5th (with Dikembe ranked first) but a rather strong argument would be made that they were competing for 2nd Team All-NBA as the 2nd and 4th ranked players (Oliver Miller and Jon Koncak) played far fewer minutes. (And then in 1995, Hakeem was ranked third, just behind David Robinson who didn't meet the shot attempt threshold.)
So, there you have it for the heights of defensive accomplishment for high-volume shooters over the last 36 years: one guard - Michael Jordan, twice meriting 1st Team All-Defense and once 2nd Team; two forwards, with 2nd Team honors - Larry Bird twice and Dr. J once; and one center - Hakeem, getting one 2nd Team mention.
Summarized another way, over the last 36 years, there were 360 slots in total for 1st and 2nd Team Defensive honors. High-volume shooters, who tend to be the the most athletically gifted and physically impressive players in the league, "earned" but 2% of them. And none in the last 21 years!
Interesting, no?