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Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:02 am
by Crow
Not all the predictions on the bigger listing are strict formula based models. At least 15% are not and who knows if or how often formula driven models adjusted results at the end, perhaps using discretion in rounding off or beyond in cases that didn't "look right". For expected results in future a strict formula model with lower RMSE model may be better but for the contest this season every incremental win miss is same 1 win miss. Perhaps there will be 2 "winners" on these different measures. But pretty good chance one prediction will win both.
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:19 pm
by kmedved
Errors for last year:
Not quite normal, especially on the downside, which I imagine is a Durant effect.
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:02 pm
by Mike G
At about 20% of the season. Absolute avg errors relative to b-r.com's projections:
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KF 6.39 DF 6.8 nr 7.6
tzu 6.42 Crow 7.0 BD 7.9
Cal 6.5 fpli 7.1 taco 8.1
km 6.6 itca 7.2 DrP 8.1
DSM 6.7 yoop 7.2 Dan 8.1
bbs 6.7 snd 7.2 rsm 8.2
AJ 6.8 MG 7.3 EZ 8.2
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:41 pm
by kmedved
Post-Thanksgiving update here as well:

Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:34 pm
by Mike G
In just 2 days, almost everyone improved by 0.2 to 0.6
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KF 6.16 DSM 6.6 nr 7.4
Cal 6.24 bbs 6.7 BD 7.6
tzu 6.24 snd 6.8 rsm 7.7
km 6.5 fpli 6.8 DrP 7.8
AJ 6.5 yoop 6.8 taco 7.9
DF 6.5 itca 6.9 Dan 8.0
Crow 6.6 MG 7.0 EZ 8.0
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:30 pm
by kmedved
Update after Friday:

Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:12 am
by kmedved
538's win projections have gone live:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/
I've added them to the average used in the standings I'm posting. I've also shifted to averaging the B-Ref projections and the SRS-method I was using,
before adding them into the bigger average, because the SRS method and the B-Ref method are really the same thing, so we were ending up with SRS-methods overweighted:

Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:21 pm
by ampersand5
can someone explain to me the 538 love for ELO? Specifically, why it would be preferable to something like SRS for their team quality blend?
Thanks
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:50 pm
by Nate
ampersand5 wrote:can someone explain to me the 538 love for ELO? Specifically, why it would be preferable to something like SRS for their team quality blend?
Elo calculations are much easier to follow since they happen 'one game at a time', that makes for more intelligible narratives. Elo is also a bit more statistically sophisticated so it's less likely to overfit, has an implicit recency bias that seems to work quite well, and there's a natural way to incorporate prior strength estimates. 538 is also an "Elo shop" - it's a model they're familiar and experienced with, so they will hopefully be more aware of potential pitfalls.
P.S. Elo is a guy's name, so you'd normally only capitalize the E.
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:33 pm
by Mike G
A month ago, AJbaskets was middle of the pack, and he's now surged into the lead.
Meanwhile, here's a summary of our avg predictions, ranked by difference from b-r.com's current projections.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fri ... s_forecast
From better than expected, to worse than expected:
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err tm avg proj err tm avg proj err tm avg pro
13 Orl 31 44 4 SAS 56 59 -2 LAL 25 23
13 Cha 36 48 3 Dal 39 42 -5 Okl 55 51
12 Min 27 39 3 Phx 37 39 -5 Phl 22 18
10 NYK 26 37 2 Den 29 31 -6 Was 44 38
9 Ind 40 50 2 Uta 41 44 -9 Cle 56 47
7 Det 36 43 2 Tor 47 49 -10 Mil 39 30
6 GSW 61 67 1 Por 36 38 -10 LAC 54 44
4 Brk 25 30 0 Atl 49 50 -10 Mem 49 39
4 Bos 45 49 0 Chi 47 46 -15 NOP 44 30
4 Mia 43 47 -1 Sac 36 35 -22 Hou 54 32
In double-digit errors it's East 7, West 2
Did anyone notice Charlotte becoming the 6th best team in the league?
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:19 pm
by Dr Positivity
The Scott Skiles effect has been impressive yet again, although usually it takes until his 2nd season to click in
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:39 pm
by Mike G
Probably just this once: Exponent 1.5, relative to b-r.com projections:
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km 7.0 Crow 7.7 BD 8.7
KF 7.1 yoop 7.8 nr 8.8
AJ 7.2 fpli 7.9 DrP 9.0
Cal 7.2 snd 7.9 EZ 9.1
tzu 7.2 MG 7.9 Dan 9.1
DF 7.3 itca 8.1 taco 9.4
bbs 7.3 rsm 8.3 15py 10.2
DSM 7.4
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:05 pm
by caliban
Let me know if I missed someone, there's a number wrong or you have a specific blend you want to be displayed for the 30 games in edition

Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:40 pm
by Crow
Thanks for the newest detailed tracking and all the tracking by several folks. Makes it an interest ongoing story.
As far as blends go, I'd ideally like to see how the best blend of the top 5 entrants last season (optimal explanation of last season) who continued this season is doing this season with that same blend. Maybe regress the weights a bit towards more equality for future performance. My entry relies heavily on best 4 from last season (and unfortunately Vegas) but the blend was not systematically optimized and I did add some quick adhoc subjective adjustments.
Re: 2015-16 Team win projections
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:24 pm
by kmedved
Sorry, are you saying your entry "peeked" at the entries of the top finishers last year?