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Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:35 am
by Mike G
Best
7-game cumulative GameScores since 1984:
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GmSc first 7 yr TS% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk TO
29.2 Curry 2016 .733 33.9 5.4 6.0 2.3 .3 2.6
29.2 Jordan 1989 .604 35.9 4.6 5.7 4.3 1.4 3.3
28.6 Giannis 2018 .689 33.7 10.3 5.1 1.7 .9 3.3
28.6 Jordan 1990 .618 34.4 7.6 5.6 2.9 .4 3.0
28.4 Dantley 1984 .659 31.1 7.9 6.0 1.0 .0 1.7
28.3 Jordan 1992 .676 32.7 4.7 5.0 2.9 .7 2.0
27.9 Shaq 1995 .617 32.0 12.9 3.3 1.0 2.7 2.3
27.5 Mullin 1991 .695 30.1 6.6 4.6 2.6 1.7 2.7
27.4 LeBron 2012 .651 29.9 7.7 7.4 2.0 .9 2.9
27.3 Harden 2017 .665 31.6 6.9 12.7 1.3 .0 5.4
This is Dantley bouncing back from missing 60 games in '83. And Mullin leading the league in minutes.
Giannis hasn't had a bad game yet; his weakest/latest registered 21.8, while his median last season was 21.
Among rookies, Ben Simmons ranks 6th after 7 games, behind Shaq, Jordan, Robinson, Hill, and B Jennings.
Simmons has the 20th best GmSc among all players this year, 17.1
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:16 pm
by rlee
In the history of the Pacers, 3 players have had perfect FG shooting nights with at least 7 makes in the careers (total). Sabonis did in it one month.
On 10/20, Vucevic scored 41 points while attempting only 2 FTs. First center to have that many points w/ that few FTAs since 2000. Only 8 players have done that in that time span, regardless of position.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:42 pm
by rlee
Tobias Harris is averaging 20.5 ppg while attempting 1.6 FTs per game. For a full season, no one has ever averaged 15+ ppg while shooting fewer than 2 FTs
Thanks to Mike G, we know this should say 17+, rather than 15+
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:16 pm
by Mike G
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:34 pm
by rlee
Thanks for the correction Mike. I ignored a lesson I learned a long time ago re: not verifying something I read, seemingly from a reliable source.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:13 pm
by Mike G
Well it looks like nobody has gone a whole season at >17 Pts/G and <2 FTA/G
There are 4 in the running this year, most notably Klay Thompson at 21.7 and 0.7
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:56 pm
by rlee
Correcting the original post now
Thanks
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:24 pm
by Mike G
In the 34 seasons that it's available, we find the top cumulative GameScores through 12, 13, 14 games:
http://bkref.com/tiny/Rb4af
For a top 100, that's an average of just about 3 per season. This year, there are 5 among the top 68.
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GmSc rk per G: TS% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk
24.9 18 A Davis .647 27.2 12.1 2.8 1.3 2.1
24.5 24 Giannis .641 30.0 9.4 4.5 1.3 1.7
24.1 28 LeBron .671 27.5 7.0 8.3 1.3 1.1
22.8 59 Harden .615 29.3 4.8 9.6 1.7 .4
22.0 68 Cousins .584 28.7 13.8 5.6 1.5 1.7
The first 2 have played 12 games, the others 13.
Finding 2 from one team on such a list would be rare. But from 2015-16 we have Westbrook/Durant (2 of the 3 for that year); Bird and McHale in 1986-87 (2 of 6); and that may be all, before this season.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:33 pm
by Mike G
Here's everyone to post a season ORtg/DRtg > 1.15, with a Usg% > 33
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xy2 player yr Usg% ORt DRt
51.3 LeBron 2009 33.8 122 99
51.2 Jordan 1996 33.3 124 100
50.6 Jordan 1988 34.1 123 101
49.5 Harden 2018 36.0 122 104
47.2 Jordan 1993 34.7 119 102
47.1 LeBron 2010 33.5 121 102
46.7 Jordan 1997 33.2 121 102
46.2 Durant 2014 33.0 123 104
45.4 Jordan 1990 33.7 123 106
Ranking is by Usg*(ORt/DRt)^2
http://bkref.com/tiny/jinIy
Harden is in somewhat uncharted territory with that Usg% at such an elite efficiency. With Paul now in the lineup, the Usg is likely to drop anyway.
In this group, he currently has the 2nd best TS% (.630), the top WS/48 (.319), and middling BPM (11.3) and PER (30.6)
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:31 pm
by Mike G
Player-seasons with at least 17.5 Win Shares and 9.5 VORP:
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player yr WS/48 WS BPM VORP
Kareem 1977 .283 17.8 10.8 9.7
Jordan 1988 .308 21.2 12.2 11.8
Jordan 1989 .292 19.8 12.6 12.0
Jordan 1990 .285 19.0 10.6 10.1
Jordan 1991 .321 20.3 10.8 9.8
Robinson 1994 .296 20.0 10.9 10.6
Garnett 2004 .272 18.3 9.9 9.8
Paul 2009 .292 18.3 11.2 10.0
LeBron 2009 .318 20.3 13.0 11.6
LeBron 2010 .299 18.5 12.5 10.9
LeBron 2013 .322 19.3 11.6 9.8
Curry 2016 .318 17.9 12.5 9.8
LeBron 2018 .277 (17.5) 11.0 (10.1)
Harden 2018 .324 (19.0) 11.3 ( 9.5)
(projected to 82 G)
Neither Harden nor LeBron has missed a game yet. Harden is playing the fewest minutes (36.0) of any season since he's been in Houston. LeBron led the league in MPG last year and is doing 37 mpg this year.
At 33, LeBron is also 4 years older than anyone else in this list.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:06 pm
by Mike G
On the LeBron train, he's having a remarkable year for an old guy.
Here are the over-30 players in NBA history who have hit .200 WinShares/48 minutes and reset the record for their age (or younger).
Wanzer is so ancient I almost didn't include him; Sharman is the first entry in the shot clock era.
In those days, playing at 30+ was all borrowed time. But then Wilt came, and he owns the middle era.
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WS/48 over 30 yr age
.218 * Bobby Wanzer 1952 30
.207 Bill Sharman 1957 30
.223 Paul Arizin 1959 30
.217 Bob Pettit 1964 31
.234 Bill Russell 1965 30
.222 Sam Jones 1966 32
.285 W Chamberlain 1967 30
.255 Wilt 1968 31
.212 Johnny Green 1971 37
.264 a Zelmo Beaty 1971 31
.219 Wilt 1972 35
.232 a Zelmo 1972 32
.268 Chet Walker 1972 31
.247 Wilt 1973 36
.317 Michael Jordan 1996 32
.283 Jordan 1997 33
.259 Karl Malone 1998 34
.252 Malone 1999 35
.222 John Stockton 2000 37
.249 Malone 2000 36
.216 Stockton 2001 38
.200 Stockton 2002 39
.276 * LeBron 2018 33
Jordan reset the bar, bumping David Robinson off the list (.290 at age 30 in '96)
LeBron is unlikely to reach Jordan-at-33, but maybe he'll outlast Malone or Stockton?
http://bkref.com/tiny/nGQD1
Minimum 1500 minutes; and you might suppose a similar VORP list would be shorter, since it starts up in 1974.
VORP at least 4.0, some of the usual suspects:
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BPM over 30 yr age
5.3 Rick Barry 1975 30
9.0 Kareem 1978 30
7.8 Kareem 1979 31
5.7 Wes Unseld 1979 32
6.7 Kareem 1980 32
5.3 Kareem 1981 33
4.3 Kareem 1982 34
5.9 Julius Erving 1984 33
4.9 Kareem 1985 37
4.5 Kareem 1986 38
9.2 Larry Bird 1987 30
8.8 Bird 1988 31
9.5 Magic Johnson 1990 30
6.1 Bird 1990 33
5.5 Bird 1992 35
8.6 Michael Jordan 1996 32
8.5 Karl Malone 1997 33
5.6 Clyde Drexler 1997 34
7.0 Malone 1998 34
6.8 Malone 1999 35
6.9 Malone 2000 36
5.9 Malone 2001 37
4.5 Malone 2003 39
5.5 Tim Duncan 2015 38
9.1 LeBron James 2016 31
10.8 LeBron * 2018 33
Last season, LeBron at 32 (8.4) is just eclipsed by Jordan'96.
A total 10 players have eclipsed 10 vorp in a season (19 times, incl. Erving ABA), and the oldest is Kareem'77, age 29.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:27 pm
by Mike G
James Harden is leading the league in per game points (by 2.3 over Giannis) and assists (by 0.05 over Westbrook); and he could easily sacrifice 1 FGA per game to secure the assist title.
He's also leading in both Win Shares and VORP, with only LeBron very close in either; and LeBron tends to take some games off every year.
In the last 40 NBA seasons, 1978-2017, the same player has led in both WS and VORP 25 times. You might think that player would be an easy MVP choice, and voters have gone that way 16/25 times, or 64%.
Players taking both titles and getting shafted from MVP:
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year WS+VORP MVP
2011 LeBron Rose
2005 Garnett Nash
1998 Malone Jordan
1994 Robinson Olajuwon
1993 Jordan Barkley
1990 Jordan Magic
1989 Jordan Magic
1987 Jordan Magic
1979 Kareem Moses
There doesn't seem to be a sentimental favorite, overdue recognizee, or representative from a better team this year; so Harden is in the driver's seat.
He's also led the league in WS twice previously -- last year and 2015 -- so he's one of those 'overdue' guys.
In the 15 years when 2 different players have led in VORP and WS, the VORP leader has won MVP 6 times, vs 4 for the WS champ. And a 3rd party has taken it on 5 occasions: Walton'78, Malone'97, Iverson'01, Nash'06, Kobe'08
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:05 pm
by Mike G
The best opening 25 games in a season since 1983-84, in terms of GameScore:
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GmSc Gm 1-25 yr mpg TS% TRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% Usg% ORtg DRtg O/D
29.9 Jordan 8889 41 .626 11.4 25.5 4.0 1.4 33.6 122 102 1.20
27.8 Jordan 8788 40 .601 7.3 30.3 4.3 2.2 33.1 120 101 1.19
27.0 Jordan 8990 38 .607 11.0 29.9 2.9 0.8 33.6 123 105 1.17
26.3 Jordan 9091 36 .612 10.0 28.2 3.8 1.5 30.1 127 102 1.25
26.3 Barkley 9091 37 .665 15.2 19.8 2.2 0.8 28.7 129 106 1.22
26.3 Jordan 8687 40 .543 7.6 20.0 2.9 2.4 39.4 116 105 1.10
25.9 Robinson 9495 40 .634 17.3 15.4 2.0 5.8 27.9 124 100 1.24
25.7 Curry 1516 35 .687 8.3 31.2 3.1 0.3 33.6 126 102 1.24
25.6 Barkley 8889 39 .607 18.5 14.4 2.1 1.5 25.3 127 107 1.19
25.5 Jordan 9293 39 .565 9.8 29.6 3.1 1.9 34.0 118 102 1.16
GmSc Gm 1-25 yr mpg TS% TRb% Ast% Stl% Blk% Usg% ORtg DRtg O/D
25.3 * Harden 1718 36 .631 8.1 50.3 2.3 1.1 35.9 123 104 1.18
25.2 LeBron 1718 37 .668 11.9 42.8 1.8 2.8 30.4 124 108 1.15
25.1 Magic 8889 39 .640 11.0 52.2 2.3 0.4 25.0 124 104 1.19
24.9 Bird 8788 38 .638 13.7 26.1 2.3 0.9 29.5 122 104 1.17
* thru 22 G
In '91, Jordan had better ORtg/DRtg than Barkley AND more Usage. Similarly, Harden over LeBron in both this season.
Not only is this LeBron's best start to a season (in GmSc), he and Harden both match up well with the best of Bird and Magic.
http://bkref.com/tiny/TfSz3
LeBron's next best is #28; then 30, 32,33 ...
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:36 am
by rlee
This one is for you, Mike G:
Dwight Howard is the only player in NBA history to have 20+ points and 10+ rebounds on consecutive nights against twin brothers
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:47 pm
by Mike G
In at least 800 minutes, best seasons since 1974, via:
xyz = ((BPM+5.25)*(WS/48)*(PER-5.75))^(1/3)
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xyz player yr tm BPM WS/48 PER
5.32 LeBron 09 Cle 13.0 .318 31.7
5.29 Harden * 18 Hou 11.7 .337 31.6
5.26 Curry 16 GSW 12.5 .318 31.5
5.20 LeBron 13 Mia 11.6 .322 31.6
5.19 Jordan 88 Chi 12.2 .308 31.7
5.12 LeBron 10 Cle 12.5 .299 31.1
5.11 Jordan 91 Chi 10.8 .321 31.6
5.09 Jordan 89 Chi 12.6 .292 31.1
5.00 LeBron * 18 Cle 11.5 .288 31.7
4.94 LeBron 12 Mia 11.0 .298 30.7
xyz player yr tm BPM WS/48 PER
4.92 Robinson 94 SAS 10.9 .296 30.7
4.88 Paul 09 NOH 11.2 .292 30.0
4.88 Westbrook 17 OKC 15.6 .224 30.6
4.86 Jordan 90 Chi 10.6 .285 31.2
4.72 Shaq 00 LAL 9.7 .283 30.6
4.70 Jordan 96 Chi 8.6 .317 29.4
4.64 Kareem 77 LAL 10.8 .283 27.8
4.64 Durant 14 OKC 8.8 .295 29.8
4.63 Robinson 96 SAS 9.2 .290 29.4
4.60 Garnett 04 Min 9.9 .272 29.4
xyz player yr tm BPM WS/48 PER
4.60 Curry 15 GSW 9.9 .288 28.0
4.58 McGrady 03 Orl 9.7 .262 30.3
4.57 Jordan 93 Chi 9.5 .270 29.7
4.53 LeBron 08 Cle 11.2 .242 29.1
4.52 Paul 08 NOH 9.2 .284 28.3
4.50 Wade 09 Mia 10.7 .232 30.4
This year, we have 2 of the top 10 player-seasons in the last 45 years.
Westbrook last year had by far the highest BPM; this year Harden has the top WS rate, also by a good margin.