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Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:40 am
by Mike G
Progressive best Total Rebound % by a guard (not G-F) since 1971:
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TRb% guard year tm
8.7 Don Chaney 1971 Bos
8.9 Walt Frazier 1973 NYK
9.4 Butch Beard 1976 Cle-NY
11.8 Sidney Moncrief 1980 Mil
12.5 Lafayette Lever 1987 Den
13.6 Lever 1990 Den
17.1 Westbrook 2017 OKC
In 1976, Frazier and Beard were traded for one another
In 1990, Darrell Walker beat Lever's 1987 mark but not his concurrent rate.
This season, Westbrook and Dejounte Murray (SAS) are both at 14.9 -- the two best rebounding guards known.
Those two plus Lonzo Ball, Denzel Valentine, Chris Paul, Terry Rozier, and Kyle Lowry make 7 current guards who are stronger rebounders than any in the 1970's.
Magic Johnson topped out at 13.7 in 1982, but he was considered G-F.
Ben Simmons is also classed as G-F, though b-r.com says he has played every minute at guard. At 12.4, he's another who would have set the record, before Fat Lever.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:04 pm
by bchaikin
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:34 am
by Mike G
Those links bring us to videos of a few games in which Westbrook appears to grab rebounds in front of teammates. Sometimes he's just quicker to the ball, and sometimes, they just let him get it.
It's commonly accepted that on a certain fraction of defensive rebounds, one or another teammate "could have" gotten it. Rodman put a dent in Laimbeer's rebounds, etc. What part of a player's rebounds are typically "granted" by his teammates? Would Andre Roberson's rebounds look similarly "inflated"?
Dejounte Murray is the premier O-Rebounder among guards. How does he fare against the Thunder?
Here are the top O-Rebounding G and G-F this year (>60 ORb on the year); their OReb/36 minute rates; their minutes and OReb vs OKC; and the number of OReb they normally expect to get in those minutes.
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vs OKC tm OR/36 Min ORb exp
B Simmons Phl 1.94 91 2 4.9
Dj Murray SAS 2.30 81 3 5.2
Nwaba Chi 1.90 16 0 .8
J Murray Den 1.16 78 3 2.5
Richardson Mia .96 32 1 .9
E Payton OrPhx 1.27 100 2 3.5
Lowry Tor 1.01 57 3 1.6
Barton Den .91 92 1 2.3
J Simmons Orl 1.08 69 2 2.1
. totals 17 23.8
It's a smallish sample, but these guys have totaled just 70% of their normal OReb in minutes vs OKC.
Lowry has an extra OReb, and that's it on the plus side.
OKC allows a very avg number of OReb per game.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:03 am
by bchaikin
Those links bring us to videos of a few games in which Westbrook appears to grab rebounds in front of teammates. Sometimes he's just quicker to the ball, and sometimes, they just let him get it.
that'd be alot of times...
in the history of the nba (since 1973-74 when rebounds have been differentiated into off and def rebs) a player has grabbed 300+ off rebs in a season 149 times. of those 149 times, not once did the player grab fewer def rebs than off rebs - until now. steven adams, who now has 353 off rebs, has grabbed just 268 def rebs, 80 less def rebs than any other player that grabbed 300+ off rebs, and he is grabbing def rebs on a per minute basis at a rate of 35% less than he did just a few years ago...
i'd say adams, who has westbrook on the floor with him for 91% of his minutes, does this an awful lot - letting westbrook grab any def rebs near adams...
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:09 pm
by Mike G
bchaikin wrote:.. steven adams, who now has 353 off rebs, has grabbed just 268 def rebs ...
That is pretty amazing. The numbers are now 358/276, a ratio of 1.297 O/D
Some other offensive rebounding specialists in history:
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O/R > 1.3 yr tm ORb DRb
Mike McGee 84 LAL 117 76
McGee 85 LAL 97 68
Harold Ellis 94 LAC 94 59
Fr Williams 81 SDC 75 54
Ryan Bowen 00 Den 75 39
O/R > 1.2 yr tm ORb DRb
Steven Adams 18 OKC 358 276
Don Chaney 74 Bos 210 168
Vi Johnson 84 Det 130 107
Ja Jeffries 09 NYK 128 103
Don Collins 83 Was 116 94
O/R > 1.1 yr tm ORb DRb
Steven Adams 18 OKC 358 276
George Lynch 94 LAL 220 190
Don Chaney 74 Bos 210 168
Vi Johnson 81 Sea 193 173
De Johnson 77 Sea 161 141
O/R > 1.0 yr tm ORb DRb
Ja Williams 98 NJN 443 440
Steven Adams 18 OKC 358 276
Chris Morris 93 NJN 227 227
Ru Patterson 00 Sea 218 216
George Lynch 94 LAL 220 190
That's Jayson Williams in his one big year. Just 30 more games, and he was done.
http://bkref.com/tiny/tT9Iw
Adams is as much an anomaly/outlier as Westbrook, you might say. Together they have gotten more D-Reb over the years, according to DReb%:
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year RW Adams T
2014 15.9 17.1 33.0
2015 16.7 19.3 36.0
2016 18.1 16.1 34.2
2017 28.8 15.4 44.2
2018 25.1 13.9 39.0
Enes Kanter's DReb% in NY is 36% higher than last year in OKC.
Durant had career high DReb% upon going to GSW. Ibaka similar ...
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:09 pm
by Mike G
This year's league-wide eFG% is .521, an all-time high. Last year's .514 was itself .012 higher than the previous best of 2016.
The 2-year increase of .019 is the largest since 1977-79 (.465 to .485); and before that, it's 1961-63.
The improvement is largely due to shooting more 3's with no dropoff in efficiency. From 2016 to '17, NBA 3fga increased by a record 2.9 per game -- larger than 1980, when the avg went from 0 to 2.8/G **
The 2-year increase 2016-18 is even greater than that from 2015-17 (4.8 vs 4.6)
This also leads to all-time high TS%. In 2 years, 2015-17, it jumped from .534 to .553 -- biggest 2-yr improvement since 1963. This year it's .556.
Pace is now the highest it's been since 1991, at 97.4 poss/G. And league ORtg these last 2 years rank 1-2 all-time (108.8)
Points per game are also highest since '91. The 2-yr increase (+5.6) is largest since 1959-61.
** = not counting short-arc years 95-97
Re: Trivia
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:40 pm
by Mike G
Denver holds opposing FT shooters to a league-low .737 -- which is .011 better than anyone else. How do they do it?
Probably not a simple answer, so I'll ask this: How
unusual is it? The league avg is .768, just .004 off the all-time high.
League FT% has stayed above .750 since 2006-07. In the meantime of 11.9 seasons, here are the best (lowest) opponent FT% each year, the league FT%, and the difference:
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year NBA Tm OppFT% diff
2007 .752 Chi .730 .022
2008 .755 Den .730 .025
2009 .771 Hou .749 .022
2010 .759 Cha .743 .016
2011 .763 Orl .743 .020
2012 .752 Mia .725 .027
2013 .753 Brk .731 .022
2013 .753 Den .731 .022
2014 .756 OKC .727 .029
2014 .756 LAL .727 .029
2015 .750 Mia .730 .020
2016 .757 LAL .731 .026
2017 .772 Was .751 .021
2018 .768 Den .737 .031*
So the Nuggets have the largest such disparity from league avg in recent times, or their opponents do.
Also I didn't see any difference as large as .011 between #1 and #2.
Den also appears 3 times in this list. Altitude?
2007-2018 total Opponent FT% best and worst:
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OppFT%
.749 LAL
.752 Cle
.755 OKC
.755 Den
.755 Bos
...
.765 Mil
.765 Det
.765 Phl
.765 NOH
.766 Min
Looking at 21-26,000 FTA here
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:57 am
by Mike G
In a conference finals, starting 1984, progressive record for fewest turnovers, to go with at least 35 points and 10 assists:
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year 35-10 G Pts Ast TO
1984 Bridgeman 5 73 16 5
1985 Natt 5 112 12 4
1987 Sichting 7 43 10 3
1992 Jo Paxson 6 40 11 2
1993 Cartwright 6 36 12 1
2018* Horford 2 35 10 0
In 2015, Horford totaled 44-10-2 in 4 game ECF.
http://bkref.com/tiny/AVggn
Fewest TO with 70-20 is 6 (Ehlo, Ginobili, Kenny Smith)
With 105 and 30, Terry Porter had 8 TO in '92 and 9 in '90.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:41 pm
by Mike G
In a conference finals, fewest assists to go with at least 100 points, since 1984
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player yr Pts Rb As
Shaq 06 130 63 2
Amar'e 10 150 36 3
Dwight 10 131 65 4
Marion 06 101 79 4
Shaq 98 127 37 4
J O'Neal 04 104 60 5
Rasheed 05 101 49 5
Bosh 11 116 38 6
Josh H 06 116 50 6
Durant 18 100 12 7
These other scorer/non-passers were rebounders. Durant's just a scorer.
Fewest rebounds to go with 100 points:
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player yr Pts Rb As
Dumars 87 103 8 32
Irving 17 129 10 27
KJ 90 131 11 68
Reggie 98 122 11 14
B Scott 85 117 11 15
Durant 18 100 12 7
This is just after 3 games. Suppose in 6 games he gets 180 points, maybe more than 24 Reb and 14 Ast.
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player yr Pts Rb As
Reggie 95 181 21 8
Ray A 01 190 23 38
Iverson 01 183 29 41
Kobe 09 204 35 35
player yr Pts Rb As
Amar'e 05 185 49 7
Reggie 95 181 21 8
Shaq 02 212 95 11
Shaq 95 191 67 17
Durant 16 210 56 20
Kobe 02 190 44 27
Reggie Miller high on both lists -- Durant's just an elongated version of Reggie now.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:21 pm
by Mike G
Most minutes in an NBA Finals with zero assists and steals:
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Min. 0 Ast, 0 Stl yr
86 Antoine Carr 1998
77 Tristan Thompson 2018
64 Udonis Haslem 2013
This is thru 3 games of the current Finals and since 1984
Javale McGee (39 min.) and Nick Young (29) also make the "top" 20.
Most points in fewer than 50 total minutes:
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Min Pts Pts/Min yr
44 31 Mike Miller 2012
50 27 Darren Daye 1987
39 26 Javale McGee 2018
Yes, Javale has the most points in <40 min.
Jordan Bell and Rodney Hood also make the top 20
Just 25 guys have played as many as 70 Finals minutes while totaling < 28 pts, < 11 reb, and < 8 ast.
Four of them are with these Cavs.
http://bkref.com/tiny/NTdNM
In 44 minutes, Kyle Korver has 4 pts, 6 reb, and 2 ast. Only Larry Hughes '07 has gone so weak in all 3 (also in 44 min) and nobody else has matched that in >33 min.
Nick Young also in his own class, with 2 pts and 1 reb in 29 min.
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:59 am
by Mike G
LeBron is the alltime leader in postseason Win Shares and VORP, a la b-r.com
But are there any younger superstars who have done as much as LeBron at a younger age?
Here are playoff leaders in WS and VORP thru a given age. To make one list, I've averaged WS and vorp*2
Going only back to 1974 and not including ABA, sorry -- b-r.com seems to balk at that.
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xy 22 yr WS VORP
7.2 Kawhi 2014 7.2 3.6
6.5 LeBron 2007 5.4 3.8
6.5 Magic 1982 5.7 3.6
6.4 Kobe 2001 6.5 3.1
4.9 Harden 2012 5.0 2.4
4.8 Duncan 1999 4.9 2.3
xy 23 yr WS VORP
9.4 LeBron 2008 7.6 5.6
8.8 Magic 1983 7.8 4.9
8.8 Kobe 2002 9.1 4.2
8.0 Kawhi 2015 8.0 4.0
7.2 Rondo 2010 6.3 4.0
7.1 Durant 2012 7.6 3.3
xy 24 yr WS VORP
14.8 LeBron 2009 12.4 8.6
12.4 Magic 1984 11.3 6.7
10.1 Kobe 2003 10.6 4.8
10.1 Kawhi 2016 9.9 5.1
9.4 Durant 2013 9.7 4.5
xy 25 yr WS VORP
17.5 LeBron 2010 14.7 10.1
15.2 Magic 1985 14.3 8.0
13.2 Kobe 2004 13.5 6.4
12.9 Kawhi 2017 12.7 6.5
11.9 Durant 2014 12.1 5.8
11.1 Rondo 2012 9.7 6.2
xy 26 yr WS VORP
21.7 LeBron 2011 18.5 12.4
18.2 Magic 1986 17.3 9.5
15.7 Duncan 2003 14.7 8.3
14.0 Jordan 1990 11.7 8.1
13.2 Kobe 2004 13.5 6.4
12.9 Kawhi 2017 12.7 6.5
xy 27 yr WS VORP
27.8 LeBron 2012 24.3 15.6
22.0 Magic 1987 21.0 11.5
19.2 Jordan 1991 16.5 10.9
17.3 Duncan 2004 16.3 9.1
14.7 Shaq 2000 14.1 7.6
13.8 Kobe 2006 14.1 6.7
13.6 Draymond 2018 11.8 7.7
13.6 Durant 2016 14.1 6.5
xy 28 yr WS VORP
33.4 LeBron 2013 29.5 18.6
25.9 Magic 1988 24.9 13.4
23.9 Jordan 1992 20.6 13.6
20.3 Duncan 2005 19.7 10.4
18.1 Shaq 2001 17.8 9.2
16.6 Durant 2017 17.2 8.0
15.6 Bird 1985 13.7 8.7
xy 29 yr WS VORP
37.9 LeBron 2014 33.8 21.0
28.6 Jordan 1993 25.0 16.1
28.2 Magic 1989 27.1 14.6
22.8 Duncan 2006 22.3 11.6
21.6 Shaq 2002 21.6 10.8
20.1 Bird 1986 18.0 11.1
20.0 Durant 2018 20.9 9.5
xy 30 yr WS VORP
42.2 LeBron 2015 36.9 23.7
30.1 Magic 1990 28.9 15.6
28.6 Jordan 1993 25.0 16.1
26.1 Duncan 2007 25.6 13.3
24.0 Shaq 2003 24.0 12.0
23.7 Bird 1987 21.2 13.1
22.5 Kobe 2009 22.5 11.2
xy 31 yr WS VORP
47.6 LeBron 2016 41.6 26.8
33.7 Magic 1991 32.2 17.6
30.2 Jordan 1995 26.3 17.0
28.0 Duncan 2008 27.3 14.3
27.9 Shaq 2004 27.9 13.9
26.4 Bird 1988 23.6 14.6
26.1 Kobe 2010 26.1 13.0
xy 32 yr WS VORP
52.3 LeBron 2017 45.8 29.4
34.4 Jordan 1996 31.0 18.9
33.7 Magic 1991 32.2 17.6
28.6 Duncan 2009 27.9 14.6
28.5 Shaq 2005 28.7 14.1
26.7 Kobe 2011 26.8 13.3
26.4 Bird 1988 23.6 14.6
xy 33 yr WS VORP
58.5 LeBron 2018 51.0 33.0
38.5 Jordan 1997 34.9 21.0
33.7 Magic 1991 32.2 17.6
30.0 Shaq 2006 30.3 14.8
29.2 Duncan 2010 28.6 14.9
28.2 Kobe 2012 28.3 14.0
26.9 Bird 1990 24.0 14.9
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:04 am
by J.E.
Mike G wrote:In 44 minutes, Kyle Korver has 4 pts, 6 reb, and 2 ast. Only Larry Hughes '07 has gone so weak in all 3 (also in 44 min) and nobody else has matched that in >33 min.
Funny/sad how the only other player who managed to record such stats was also a teammate of LeBron
Re: Trivia
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:32 pm
by Mike G
J.E. wrote:Mike G wrote:In 44 minutes, Kyle Korver has 4 pts, 6 reb, and 2 ast. Only Larry Hughes '07 has gone so weak in all 3 (also in 44 min) and nobody else has matched that in >33 min.
Funny/sad how the only other player who managed to record such stats was also a teammate of LeBron
yeah, the lists are littered with Shumpert and James Jones appearances, along with Mike Miller, G Hill, J Green, Korver. But these guys may just be at the sub-marginal edge of NBA existence, and otherwise would not be playing at all.
LeBron may be dominating the ball, but he's not stopping anyone from getting some rebounds at least.
TS% by series for LeBron and
rest of team, along with LeBron's Ast/36 rates
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opp LBJ ROT As/36
Ind .655 .499 6.8
Tor .579 .624 9.7
Bos .610 .523 7.4
GSW .615 .473 8.35
Re: Trivia
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:56 am
by Mike G
Top Game Scores for NBA Finals, since 1984
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GmSc per G yr Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk
30.6 Shaq 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7
30.3 Durant 2017 35.2 8.2 5.4 1.0 1.6
30.1 Shaq 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 .5 2.8
29.6 LeBron 2017 33.6 12.0 10.0 1.4 1.0
29.6 Jordan 1993 41.0 8.5 6.3 1.7 .7
29.4 Jordan 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 2.8 1.4
28.3 LeBron 2018 34.0 8.5 10.0 1.3 1.0
28.3 Magic 1987 26.2 8.0 13.0 2.3 .3
27.4 Shaq 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 .4 3.4
26.9 Durant 2018 28.8 10.8 7.5 .8 2.3
You might say it's an exclusive list. The 2nd 10 consists of: LeBron (2), Jordan, Wade, Olajuwon, Magic, Curry, Duncan, Bird (2)
And 3 LeBrons in the next 10.
LeBron is the only Finals
loser in the top 20. How out-manned has he been at this level?
In 2011, the Mavs had 7 of the top 11 players in the Finals, according to Game Score.
2012 vs OKC, Heat had 4 of the top 7 and won handily.
2013 vs Spurs, Mia with 4 of the top 9, won in 7.
2014 rematch, SA with 4 of top 5, and 6 of the top 8 players.
Cavs vs Warriors:
2015 - GS with 3 of top 4, 6 of 10
2016 - Cavs with just 4 of top 10 players, win anyway
2017 - Dubs with 5 of the top 8
2018 - .. .. 6 of top 8, and 8 of 11
EDIT -- Worst GmSc since '84, 30+ Finals minutes
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GmSc per game yr Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk
-2.0 Larry Hughes 2007 1.0 2.5 1.0 .5 .0
-1.2 Kyle Korver 2018 1.5 1.8 .8 .0 .3
-1.0 Vince Askew 1996 1.8 2.5 .5 .5 .0
-1.0 Nick Young 2018 1.3 .5 .0 .0 .0
-0.9 D Williams 2017 1.0 1.6 1.2 .4 .0
Korver with the worst eFG% of the bunch, .094
Re: Trivia
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:05 pm
by Mike G
Best postseasons ever, via the 5th root of the product of 5 summary stats.
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xyz playoffs year G PER WS ws/48 BPM vorp
5.28 LeBron 2009 14 37.4 4.8 .399 18.2 2.9
4.83 LeBron 2018 22 32.2 5.2 .269 14.0 3.7
4.68 Jordan 1991 17 32.0 4.8 .333 13.8 2.8
4.66 Duncan 2003 24 28.4 5.9 .279 11.6 3.5
4.62 LeBron 2012 23 30.3 5.8 .284 11.0 3.2
4.47 LeBron 2016 21 30.0 4.7 .274 13.1 3.1
4.38 Jordan 1990 16 31.7 4.0 .284 14.3 2.8
4.23 LeBron 2013 23 28.1 5.2 .260 10.2 2.9
4.20 Kareem 1974 16 28.3 4.7 .297 11.3 2.5
4.18 Jordan 1989 17 29.9 4.0 .270 12.8 2.7
xyz playoffs year G PER WS ws/48 BPM vorp
4.13 LeBron 2017 18 30.1 4.3 .275 11.5 2.5
4.11 Jordan 1993 19 30.1 4.4 .270 10.9 2.5
4.08 Kareem 1977 11 32.4 3.2 .332 14.8 2.0
4.06 LeBron 2014 20 31.1 4.3 .270 10.4 2.4
4.00 Bird 1984 23 26.3 4.7 .236 10.2 2.9
4.00 Bird 1986 23 26.3 4.7 .236 10.2 2.9
3.94 Nowitzki 2006 23 26.8 5.4 .263 7.9 2.4
3.89 Wade 2006 23 26.9 4.8 .240 8.9 2.6
3.77 Jordan 1996 18 26.7 4.7 .306 8.1 1.9
3.75 Shaq 2000 23 30.5 4.7 .224 7.2 2.3
xyz playoff year G PER WS ws/48
3.37 Mikan 1954 13 33.6 3.5 .391
3.15 Wilt 1964 12 31.3 3.8 .323
2.69 West 1968 15 25.1 3.6 .278
2.68 Wilt 1962 12 29.7 3.1 .260
2.43 Russell 1965 12 20.9 3.3 .286
Bottom 5 -- bpm and vorp omitted from formula.
Sample is those who are top-15 in any one of these categories, from:
http://bkref.com/tiny/0n9KO