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Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:38 pm
by Mike G
Rookies have suddenly surged to a projected 37 total eWins on the year. This is due to the discovery of several rookies previously unaccounted; including all Celtics rookies, which include those ranked #2 and #6 here.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
6.0 Carter-Williams Phl 37 .481 15.8 5.3 6.4 2.2 2.6 2.2 .7 1.33
3.9 Faverani,Vitor Bos 20 .526 13.1 11.6 1.1 5.0 1.4 2.8 3.1 1.18
3.6 Oladipo,Victor Orl 26 .457 16.0 5.3 4.6 3.7 2.1 4.6 .7 .84
3.1 Adams,Steven Okl 19 .539 10.6 10.2 1.3 5.3 .8 .7 2.3 .98
3.1 Wolters,Nate Mil 32 .435 9.3 3.9 4.8 2.1 1.1 1.1 .5 .56
2.3 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 22 .470 12.9 8.6 2.7 5.8 .6 3.3 .4 .60
1.7 Mclemore,Ben Sac 21 .484 13.7 4.4 1.6 3.5 1.1 1.5 .4 .49
1.7 Plumlee,Mason Brk 16 .592 17.2 8.0 .7 6.0 .4 .7 .4 .94
1.6 Hardaway,Tim NYK 18 .518 15.8 2.5 1.9 2.8 .7 1.0 .0 .51
1.4 Mekel,Gal Dal 14 .500 11.1 3.1 7.0 2.4 .8 3.3 .3 .60
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
1.2 Zeller,Cody Cha 17 .443 10.8 7.7 1.1 4.5 1.4 2.3 .6 .43
1.1 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 17 .494 15.1 2.3 2.1 3.6 1.4 .7 .0 .53
0.8 Gobert,Rudy Uta 12 .327 4.2 15.5 .3 6.6 .9 3.8 2.1 .43
0.8 Withey,Jeff NOP 7 .778 15.4 8.5 .8 3.5 .9 2.7 1.7 1.08
0.7 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 15 .593 12.3 5.8 .6 4.2 1.0 2.4 1.0 .39
0.6 Hummel,Robbie Min 12 .500 9.7 6.8 1.4 4.4 .9 .4 .4 .44
0.4 Datome,Luigi Det 9 .455 15.6 4.5 .8 5.8 .8 1.7 .8 .48
0.4 Christmas,Dionte Phx 9 .500 11.7 6.5 .7 3.9 1.3 1.2 .0 .41
0.3 Davies,Brandon Phl 11 .388 6.6 7.6 1.1 4.2 1.7 .9 .8 .27
0.3 Goodwin,Archie Phx 11 .369 9.4 4.7 1.4 2.1 1.3 3.0 2.1 .21
0.3 Franklin,Jamaal Mem 7 .500 7.7 11.2 1.2 4.9 .0 1.1 1.2 .57
We're now looking at 27 eWins from the East and 10 from the West.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:34 pm
by Mike G
The season is now 16% completed. Rookies are summing to 39 projected eWins for the full season.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.2 MCarter-Williams Phl 36 .486 16.1 5.8 5.8 3.0 2.5 .9 1.37
4.1 Oladipo,Victor Orl 27 .492 17.5 5.8 4.1 2.3 4.5 .8 .92
3.2 Adams,Steven Okl 18 .524 10.1 10.1 1.7 .7 .8 2.7 1.04
3.2 Faverani,Vitor Bos 17 .515 13.4 11.8 1.1 1.2 3.0 2.8 1.10
2.6 Wolters,Nate Mil 28 .439 9.5 3.7 5.2 1.0 1.5 .6 .55
1.9 Mclemore,Ben Sac 22 .493 14.1 5.4 1.6 1.0 1.6 .4 .53
1.8 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 23 .451 12.0 8.9 2.4 .8 2.9 .5 .52
1.5 Plumlee,Mason Brk 17 .588 14.0 7.5 .4 .7 1.1 .5 .67
1.4 Hardaway,Tim NYK 15 .517 15.8 2.7 1.8 .8 .9 .0 .53
1.3 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 21 .429 12.6 4.0 1.5 1.6 .5 .0 .43
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.1 Zeller,Cody Cha 19 .399 9.8 8.8 1.4 1.5 2.8 .8 .35
1.1 Goodwin,Archie Phx 13 .415 12.0 5.7 2.1 1.8 2.7 1.4 .52
1.0 Antic,Pero Atl 14 .448 11.1 8.4 2.3 .9 1.8 .9 .68
0.9 Mekel,Gal Dal 13 .500 11.0 3.6 7.0 .8 3.5 .3 .54
0.8 Thompson,Hollis Phl 14 .545 10.7 6.5 1.0 .8 1.2 .4 .41
0.8 Hummel,Robbie Min 14 .447 8.9 8.3 1.6 1.0 .5 .2 .49
0.7 Withey,Jeff NOP 7 .778 15.7 9.1 .8 .9 2.9 1.5 1.18
0.7 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 14 .559 13.0 6.2 .5 1.6 2.5 1.0 .41
0.6 Dieng,Gorgui Min 6 .462 8.3 11.0 3.7 .7 5.8 7.6 1.00
0.6 Gobert,Rudy Uta 11 .352 4.8 15.6 .3 .9 4.0 2.3 .40
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.5 Christmas,Dionte Phx 9 .543 13.5 7.2 .6 1.0 1.3 .0 .52
0.5 Burke,Trey Uta 16 .485 18.0 7.0 4.2 1.1 1.9 .0 1.19
0.4 Datome,Luigi Det 8 .483 15.8 4.5 1.1 1.2 2.3 .5 .41
0.4 Pressey,Phil Bos 13 .340 7.0 3.5 5.1 1.7 1.9 .2 .21
0.3 Dellavedova,Matt Cle 16 .554 9.4 4.2 2.1 1.7 1.2 .0 .19
0.2 Franklin,Jamaal Mem 7 .500 8.2 11.5 1.2 .0 1.2 1.3 .62
0.2 Karasev,Sergey Cle 9 .500 13.6 5.1 1.3 .0 1.9 .0 .26
0.2 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil 10 .500 7.4 7.0 2.3 .0 .8 1.9 .37
0.2 Buycks,Dwight Tor 12 .417 9.9 6.2 2.0 .8 2.3 .0 .15
0.2 Mitchell,Tony Det 5 .500 7.6 11.4 2.4 .0 .0 .0 .80
Dieng has 12 blocks in 55 minutes. Trey Burke has played in 2 games.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:14 pm
by Mike G
At .224 of the season, rookies project to 42 total eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
6.8 MCarter-Williams Phl 37 .486 16.4 5.8 6.1 2.6 3.1 2.6 .7 1.39
4.8 Oladipo,Victor Orl 30 .502 17.2 5.6 4.3 3.3 2.1 3.9 .7 .95
2.6 Adams,Steven Okl 17 .525 9.7 10.8 1.8 5.7 .8 1.5 1.9 .90
2.5 Faverani,Vitor Bos 16 .485 13.2 11.0 1.1 5.6 1.0 2.7 2.5 .90
2.2 Wolters,Nate Mil 27 .454 10.2 3.6 5.2 1.9 1.0 1.5 .5 .62
2.1 Plumlee,Mason Brk 18 .647 14.6 7.0 .8 4.9 1.1 1.3 1.2 .85
2.0 Burke,Trey Uta 27 .479 17.1 4.6 5.1 2.4 1.0 1.5 .0 1.08
1.9 Mclemore,Ben Sac 23 .487 14.5 4.7 1.7 3.3 1.2 1.8 .2 .48
1.7 Hardaway,Tim NYK 16 .571 17.9 2.7 1.6 2.6 .6 1.2 .3 .67
1.4 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 16 .557 12.5 7.0 1.8 4.0 1.2 1.9 1.6 .72
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
1.4 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 22 .451 12.0 4.1 1.6 3.0 1.7 .6 .1 .42
1.4 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 23 .451 12.3 9.1 2.5 5.6 .8 3.0 .5 .52
1.3 Thompson,Hollis Phl 17 .565 10.2 6.7 1.4 2.5 .6 .8 .4 .51
1.0 Zeller,Cody Cha 18 .387 9.4 8.7 1.8 4.6 1.1 2.5 .8 .33
1.0 Gobert,Rudy Uta 12 .429 7.1 15.3 .4 6.1 .9 3.4 2.5 .73
1.0 Snell,Tony Chi 14 .604 14.7 3.1 2.0 1.6 .9 1.4 .0 .57
0.8 Antic,Pero Atl 12 .455 11.2 8.0 2.2 3.3 .8 1.5 1.0 .66
0.7 Dieng,Gorgui Min 6 .412 7.6 12.3 4.3 8.1 1.7 4.6 6.5 1.17
0.7 Mekel,Gal Dal 12 .445 10.3 3.0 7.0 2.8 .7 3.5 .2 .40
0.6 Withey,Jeff NOP 6 .750 15.8 8.9 1.4 3.7 1.5 2.4 1.0 1.36
0.6 Hummel,Robbie Min 12 .427 7.7 8.7 1.4 4.7 1.4 .7 .2 .39
Trey Burke missed the first 12 games, and has played in 8 of his team's 20.
He's averaged .061 eW per game; if he plays in 70 games (i.e., doesn't miss any more) at that rate, he gets 4.3 eW for the year.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:19 pm
by Crow
e82 likes Oladipo a lot (in part probably because of his usage) but he is still bottom 10% on overall ws/48. Improved to bottom third on TS%, but still bottom 5% on TOV%; and. as a result, he is bottom 7% on Offensive Rating. A work in progress.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:54 pm
by Bobbofitos
Oladipo passes the eye test with flying colors.
Only thing that is apparent to me is he's not a long term fit as a PG. Turnover issues even more than a typical rookie; watching him play, the dude throws haphazard passes and is fairly careless. His actual ball handling isn't bad, and he has great north/south drive, it's just he doesn't get the ball to teammates at the right time or spot.
To me, he should be a SG. He already is defending pretty well (for a rookie, playing major mins, that's impressive) but his poor ORtg is because he's been charged with running the offense... And he's ill-equipped to do that. Think Avery Bradley to begin this season, switching him over to the 2 improved his numbers and play.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:01 pm
by Crow
Oladipo's future is probably at SG but his performance at SG right now is worse at individual level than when at PG. Better team result. Stilol has a high TO% rate at SG, perhaps because he hasn't changed his style of play much when he switches positions.
http://www.82games.com/1314/13ORL3.HTM#bypos The biggest stat differences between the position are his assist rates and his defense. He may be facing different quality of opponents at those two positions so it imay not be a simple even position comparison. These numbers could flip around in next few months and years as it has for other players. They will have plenty to analyze and use to tweak his position and role going forward. Right now is just splashing around, getting used to the different NBA game.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:12 pm
by Mike G
Oladipo's TO/36 have dropped from 4.5 to 3.9 just in the last 11 days.
In the last 3 weeks, his effective shooting% is up from .457 to .502. That's from 2nd-worst among the top 10 here, to 5th best.
He likely got some heavy minutes a bit early, but the investment might have been a good one.
He's not quite an average player, according to his .95 e484. That's a distant 2nd to Afflalo among the Orlando guards.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:23 pm
by Crow
Wonder what Oladipo's RAPM will show, for this season and down the line. Boxscore stats being insufficient alone IMO in coming to a fully informed evaluation.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:18 pm
by Mike G
Quick update at exactly the 1/4 point in the season.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
6.1 MCarter-Williams Phl 37 .486 16.5 5.7 6.1 2.6 3.1 2.7 .7 1.43
4.3 Oladipo,Victor Orl 31 .488 15.7 5.5 3.8 3.1 2.0 3.9 .8 .82
2.6 Adams,Steven Okl 16 .534 9.4 10.7 2.0 5.8 .8 1.6 2.0 .93
2.4 Faverani,Vitor Bos 16 .490 12.7 10.8 1.2 5.6 .9 2.9 2.4 .89
2.4 Burke,Trey Uta 29 .467 16.0 5.1 4.7 2.1 1.1 1.7 .1 1.03
2.2 Mclemore,Ben Sac 25 .477 13.5 5.2 1.7 3.3 1.3 1.5 .3 .53
2.1 Hardaway,Tim NYK 17 .595 18.2 2.4 1.8 2.4 .9 1.1 .4 .78
2.0 Plumlee,Mason Brk 18 .657 14.6 6.7 .8 4.7 1.0 1.4 1.1 .85
2.0 Wolters,Nate Mil 25 .438 9.8 3.8 5.5 1.9 .9 1.5 .5 .60
1.4 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 23 .451 12.1 9.1 2.6 5.6 .8 3.0 .5 .58
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
1.4 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 16 .538 11.7 6.9 1.8 3.8 1.2 1.9 1.7 .68
1.3 Thompson,Hollis Phl 19 .571 10.0 6.6 1.4 2.7 .7 1.0 .3 .43
1.2 Zeller,Cody Cha 18 .408 9.8 8.5 1.8 4.6 1.0 2.6 .8 .39
1.0 Gobert,Rudy Uta 11 .427 6.9 15.6 .5 6.3 .8 3.3 2.5 .80
0.9 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 23 .445 10.5 3.8 1.4 3.0 1.5 .5 .1 .26
0.9 Dieng,Gorgui Min 6 .432 8.7 13.3 3.7 7.8 1.5 3.9 5.6 1.42
0.8 Snell,Tony Chi 17 .542 12.3 3.1 2.2 1.3 .9 1.4 .1 .38
0.7 Antic,Pero Atl 12 .455 10.7 7.8 2.2 3.3 .8 1.5 1.0 .63
0.7 Hummel,Robbie Min 12 .474 8.4 8.5 1.3 4.5 1.2 .6 .2 .47
0.6 Withey,Jeff NOP 7 .714 14.0 9.3 1.8 4.3 1.2 1.9 .9 1.22
0.6 Mekel,Gal Dal 12 .438 9.9 3.1 6.8 3.2 .6 3.5 .2 .33
Rookies on pace to total 41.6 eW for the year.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:01 pm
by Mike G
Season at 33%, and rookies total 42.5 projected eWins for the year.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
5.0 MCarter-Williams Phl 36 .486 15.7 5.5 6.3 2.9 3.0 2.6 .7 1.34
4.0 Oladipo,Victor Orl 31 .481 15.2 5.2 3.6 3.3 1.9 3.7 .9 .75
3.1 Burke,Trey Uta 29 .481 16.3 4.6 5.7 2.3 .8 1.6 .1 1.06
2.5 Hardaway,Tim NYK 18 .598 18.6 2.7 2.0 2.6 1.0 1.2 .4 .84
2.4 Adams,Steven Okl 16 .510 8.6 10.9 1.8 6.5 1.2 2.0 2.3 .87
2.2 Wolters,Nate Mil 23 .444 10.4 3.9 5.2 1.7 1.3 1.6 .5 .65
2.2 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 20 .563 12.3 7.0 1.8 3.5 1.0 1.8 1.3 .77
2.1 Faverani,Vitor Bos 14 .502 12.5 10.2 1.1 5.6 .8 2.8 2.4 .85
1.9 Plumlee,Mason Brk 17 .665 14.7 6.5 .9 5.0 1.2 1.6 1.1 .83
1.5 Mclemore,Ben Sac 26 .488 12.6 4.7 1.6 3.3 1.0 1.6 .2 .34
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
1.5 Zeller,Cody Cha 18 .427 10.6 8.6 2.0 4.5 .9 2.8 .9 .49
1.2 Thompson,Hollis Phl 21 .555 9.8 6.4 1.2 2.8 .8 1.1 .3 .36
1.1 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 20 .452 11.9 9.0 2.7 6.0 .8 3.2 .5 .52
1.0 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil 10 .600 18.3 8.3 2.1 6.3 .5 2.4 1.6 1.19
0.9 Snell,Tony Chi 19 .506 11.4 3.6 2.1 1.5 .6 1.5 .5 .34
0.9 Hummel,Robbie Min 12 .483 9.4 9.1 1.2 3.5 1.0 .4 .1 .60
0.9 Gobert,Rudy Uta 11 .409 6.7 16.0 .5 6.2 .8 3.7 2.8 .85
0.8 Antic,Pero Atl 11 .504 12.5 7.2 2.8 4.4 .6 1.8 .8 .70
0.8 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 24 .458 10.2 4.1 1.2 3.0 1.5 .6 .1 .21
0.8 Dellavedova,Matt Cle 15 .594 10.8 3.5 2.8 3.6 1.5 1.0 .4 .44
East teams are looking at 30 eWins from rookies; in the West just 12
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:24 pm
by Mike G
Now at 40% of the season, the rookie class has cooled, slowed, missed time, or otherwise stalled of late. They now are on pace for 39 eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.1 M C-Williams Phl 35 .476 16.0 5.8 6.5 3.0 3.8 .8 1.28
3.9 Oladipo,Victor Orl 30 .485 15.3 5.1 3.9 1.8 4.1 .9 .76
3.1 Burke,Trey Uta 30 .482 16.0 4.1 5.6 .8 2.4 .1 .92
2.6 Adams,Steven Okl 16 .551 10.0 9.9 2.0 1.1 2.3 2.0 .96
2.4 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 23 .557 11.7 7.4 1.9 .9 2.2 1.2 .75
2.0 Plumlee,Mason Brk 17 .625 13.8 7.2 .7 1.0 1.8 1.3 .84
2.0 Hardaway,Tim NYK 19 .578 16.7 2.5 1.6 .8 1.1 .3 .63
1.7 Faverani,Vitor Bos 14 .495 12.0 9.6 1.0 .8 3.2 2.2 .78
1.7 Wolters,Nate Mil 21 .443 10.0 3.7 5.1 1.3 1.9 .5 .57
1.5 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 19 .483 12.9 8.7 2.8 .8 3.6 .7 .66
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.4 Zeller,Cody Cha 17 .415 9.9 8.1 2.3 1.0 2.8 .9 .48
1.3 Antic,Pero Atl 13 .528 12.3 7.6 2.9 .6 1.6 .9 .82
1.1 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil 10 .616 16.9 7.6 1.6 .3 2.1 1.2 1.01
0.9 Mclemore,Ben Sac 25 .470 11.0 4.6 1.5 .8 1.8 .3 .21
0.9 Thompson,Hollis Phl 21 .538 9.1 5.9 1.3 .8 1.4 .3 .26
0.9 Dellavedova,Matt Cle 16 .596 11.0 2.9 3.0 1.5 1.4 .3 .42
0.7 Gobert,Rudy Uta 11 .409 6.2 15.0 .5 .7 3.8 2.6 .79
0.6 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 24 .458 9.7 3.6 1.2 1.5 .6 .2 .17
0.6 Hummel,Robbie Min 11 .466 8.1 8.2 1.1 .9 .4 .1 .42
0.6 Dieng,Gorgui Min 5 .410 7.6 11.6 2.7 1.4 3.2 4.5 1.16
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.6 Snell,Tony Chi 19 .474 10.2 3.5 2.0 .7 1.5 .4 .21
0.5 Murry,Toure' NYK 8 .438 12.1 5.2 5.0 2.8 3.0 .0 .71
0.5 Withey,Jeff NOP 6 .765 14.0 8.1 1.7 .9 1.4 .9 1.20
0.4 Buycks,Dwight Tor 10 .451 11.2 6.0 2.9 1.7 1.8 .0 .55
0.3 Kelly,Ryan LAL 10 .632 11.7 5.4 1.5 .0 1.5 .9 .46
0.3 Roberson,Andre Okl 8 .611 8.1 9.2 1.5 1.0 2.4 .7 .47
Some of these guys are getting more minutes of late; but it's largely been out of necessity, rather than from development of skills.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:48 pm
by Mike G
Season at 48%, rookies total 38 eWins projected over 82 games.
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e82 per36 rates tm G Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.6 Carter-Williams Phl 28 35 .485 16.8 5.8 6.1 2.7 3.6 .6 1.32
4.2 Oladipo,Victor Orl 40 32 .495 15.6 4.9 3.9 1.7 4.0 .8 .79
3.8 Burke,Trey Uta 29 31 .487 16.3 4.0 6.3 .9 2.6 .1 1.03
2.2 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 33 23 .531 11.1 7.2 2.2 1.0 2.5 1.2 .64
2.1 Adams,Steven Okl 40 15 .541 9.6 10.2 1.8 1.0 2.2 1.7 .83
1.8 Plumlee,Mason Brk 31 16 .624 13.3 7.1 .7 1.1 1.6 1.5 .80
1.7 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 31 19 .496 12.8 8.3 2.7 .9 3.2 .8 .70
1.6 Hardaway,Tim NYK 39 19 .572 15.7 2.5 1.4 .8 1.0 .3 .53
1.4 Wolters,Nate Mil 29 20 .443 9.9 3.6 5.0 1.2 1.9 .5 .53
1.3 Antic,Pero Atl 27 15 .549 13.3 7.2 2.3 .6 1.9 .8 .77
e82 per36 rates tm G Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.3 Zeller,Cody Cha 41 17 .421 9.7 8.1 2.1 1.0 2.6 .9 .46
1.3 Faverani,Vitor Bos 34 14 .502 11.7 9.1 1.0 .9 3.2 2.0 .68
1.2 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil 25 10 .636 17.5 7.1 1.2 .5 1.8 1.0 1.01
0.9 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 37 24 .483 10.2 3.5 1.2 1.5 .6 .2 .23
0.9 Snell,Tony Chi 33 19 .497 11.2 3.7 1.9 .8 1.4 .4 .31
0.7 Mclemore,Ben Sac 38 24 .465 10.6 4.4 1.4 .7 1.6 .3 .18
0.7 Thompson,Hollis Phl 37 21 .532 8.7 5.7 1.2 .9 1.3 .3 .22
0.5 Dellavedova,Matt Cle 31 17 .579 9.7 2.7 2.9 1.3 1.5 .3 .24
0.5 Hummel,Robbie Min 27 11 .456 7.6 8.3 1.1 .9 .4 .1 .39
0.5 Dieng,Gorgui Min 21 5 .420 7.4 11.5 2.2 2.0 3.0 3.7 1.01
It doesn't look as if anyone in this group is going to be a star, this year at least.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:32 pm
by Crow
According to this
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGenera ... nce=Rookie
only 3 rookies playing 10+ minutes have raw team +/- on the court over +1
per game.
Olynyk is middle of the pack and moderately negative at around -3 per 48 minutes. Faverani is near the very bottom at around -9 per 48 minutes.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:27 pm
by Mike G
At 57.4% of the season, the rookie crop again has peeked over 40 combined/projected eWins.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.4 Carter-Williams Phl 35 .474 16.4 5.6 6.0 2.5 3.6 .7 1.23
4.5 Oladipo,Victor Orl 32 .501 15.7 5.0 4.0 1.8 3.9 .7 .83
3.5 Burke,Trey Uta 31 .469 14.9 3.8 6.2 .7 2.5 .2 .89
2.2 Hardaway,Tim NYK 20 .598 17.2 2.5 1.4 .8 1.0 .2 .65
2.1 Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil 24 .529 11.0 7.0 2.3 1.0 2.7 1.2 .59
1.8 Olynyk,Kelly Bos 18 .489 12.8 8.4 2.7 .9 2.9 .9 .75
1.8 Adams,Steven Okl 15 .522 8.9 10.5 1.8 1.1 2.3 1.6 .73
1.8 Plumlee,Mason Brk 15 .632 14.4 6.8 .7 1.4 1.6 1.8 .90
1.6 Wolters,Nate Mil 20 .442 10.3 3.7 5.2 1.2 1.7 .5 .60
1.4 Zeller,Cody Cha 17 .434 10.0 8.3 2.0 .9 2.3 .8 .51
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.4 Antic,Pero Atl 16 .554 13.6 7.9 2.5 .6 1.9 .7 .84
1.2 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil 11 .620 15.8 7.7 1.4 .6 1.9 1.1 .92
1.2 Faverani,Vitor Bos 13 .498 11.7 9.3 1.1 1.0 3.1 1.9 .69
0.9 Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det 25 .483 10.0 3.5 1.3 1.7 .6 .2 .23
0.9 Thompson,Hollis Phl 21 .557 9.4 5.7 1.1 1.0 1.2 .2 .26
0.9 Kelly,Ryan LAL 19 .565 12.3 5.2 1.8 .5 1.3 .9 .53
0.7 Snell,Tony Chi 19 .478 10.5 4.0 1.8 .8 1.4 .4 .25
0.7 Mclemore,Ben Sac 23 .471 10.7 4.5 1.4 .8 1.7 .3 .18
0.7 Gobert,Rudy Uta 12 .488 7.4 12.6 .5 .8 3.1 2.6 .68
0.6 Calathes,Nick Mem 13 .483 9.6 3.4 5.4 1.4 3.2 .1 .32
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.5 Withey,Jeff NOP 9 .626 9.8 7.7 1.0 .9 1.2 1.5 .61
0.5 Murry,Toure' NYK 8 .448 11.7 4.5 4.6 2.0 2.8 .0 .56
0.4 Dieng,Gorgui Min 6 .416 7.0 11.4 1.6 1.7 3.1 3.4 .78
0.4 Hummel,Robbie Min 11 .456 7.8 8.4 1.1 .9 .4 .1 .40
0.4 Dellavedova,Matt Cle 15 .538 8.8 3.0 3.2 1.3 1.3 .2 .20
0.3 Roberson,Andre Okl 8 .552 7.8 9.2 2.0 2.3 1.7 .9 .65
0.3 Larkin,Shane Dal 13 .455 9.1 3.2 4.7 1.8 3.1 .1 .23
0.3 Len,Alex Phx 9 .494 8.2 10.5 .2 .6 2.0 1.4 .41
0.2 Dedmon,Dewayne Phl 14 .521 7.6 10.6 .6 .0 2.1 2.0 .46
0.2 Buycks,Dwight Tor 10 .451 11.1 5.8 2.9 1.6 1.7 .0 .54
Only one rookie in any minutes has above avg eWins rate (1.00 eW/484 min)
I see Win Shares likes 8 rookies at least this much, and with >150 min.
http://bkref.com/tiny/S0j31
PER agrees on 4 of the 8.
Re: 2013-14 Rookies
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:12 pm
by Mike G
Ranked by minutes played, rookies with >300 min.
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2014 rookies tm e484 PER ws/48 rookies tm e484 PER ws/48
Oladipo,Victor Orl .83 13.0 .018 Pressey,Phil Bos .06 7.0 -.014
Carter-Williams Phl 1.23 17.1 .056 Dellavedova,Matt Cle .20 10.1 .078
Caldwell-Pope,Ke Det .23 9.4 .065 Plumlee,Mason Brk .90 17.0 .156
Mclemore,Ben Sac .18 7.6 .003 Faverani,Vitor Bos .69 11.4 .043
Burke,Trey Uta .89 13.3 .028 Calathes,Nick Mem .32 9.2 .020
Antetokounmpo,Gi Mil .59 11.7 .046 Kelly,Ryan LAL .53 12.1 .100
Thompson,Hollis Phl .26 10.5 .070 Antic,Pero Atl .84 12.3 .098
Hardaway,Tim NYK .65 15.4 .117 Davies,Brandon Phl -.11 5.8 -.008
Zeller,Cody Cha .51 9.7 .025 Larkin,Shane Dal .23 8.9 -.020
Snell,Tony Chi .25 8.2 .055 Bennett,Anthony Cle -.11 2.0 -.114
Adams,Steven Okl .73 12.6 .136 Goodwin,Archie Phx .04 6.4 -.044
Wolters,Nate Mil .60 13.0 .035 Raduljica,Mirosl Mil .92 17.5 .152
Olynyk,Kelly Bos .75 12.1 .061
Anthony Bennett's
-.114 WS/48 is a value that's 10 times as negative as eWins'
-.11/484
In eWins, zero is 'replacement level'. This tends to be around 6-7 in PER.
totals for these 25 players: