Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:39 pm
Here is BPM up to this point (via Stathead.com ):
Donovan Mitchell is rolling!
Donovan Mitchell is rolling!
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:58 pm
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:17 pm
When I look at Stathead (non paying version) or b-r.com, I see mostly consistent formatting: BPM shows as 14.0 (rather than 14); TS% shows as .743 (rather than 74.3%); and FTr shows as .506 (rather than 0.506).
All these useless leading zeroes and % signs add a ton of clutter to the visual. 0.5 steals looks 'bigger' than 2 steals, but it's not.
Also, why can't we get VORP with another decimal place? Especially in playoffs, when 0.1 might be .06 or .14 -- quite a range.
I see there is now a BPM column in the playoff game box scores; but there still isn't a BPM for a playoff series.
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:08 pm
The formatting is because I copied it to Google sheets so I could link it here... Google defaults. I'll clean it up.
Would be nice to get another decimal on VORP, you're right!
I tend to prefer looking at BPM at smaller sample sizes anyway... VORP has less relevance.
Would be nice to get another decimal on VORP, you're right!
I tend to prefer looking at BPM at smaller sample sizes anyway... VORP has less relevance.
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:27 pm
And is this the right formula for VORP?
vorp = (BPM+2)*Min/4000
Further, is this the formula when all games are 48 minutes? or would you factor avg mpg (of a playoff series, say) into it?
vorp = (BPM+2)*Min/4000
Further, is this the formula when all games are 48 minutes? or would you factor avg mpg (of a playoff series, say) into it?
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:34 pm
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:36 pm
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4W thru 4 games Tm WS perW bpmW eW
1.33 Donovan Mitchell UTA 1.27 1.18 1.73 1.16
1.12 James Harden HOU .91 .80 1.63 1.13
1.02 Antetokounmpo MIL .80 .79 1.28 1.23
1.00 Kawhi Leonard LAC .76 .86 1.52 .85
1.00 Jayson Tatum BOS .85 .73 1.45 .95
.99 Anthony Davis LAL .90 .78 1.39 .90
.90 LeBron James LAL .76 .69 1.25 .91
.85 Luka Dončić DAL .54 .76 1.29 .79
.83 Jamal Murray DEN .64 .81 1.19 .70
.81 Fred VanVleet TOR .91 .57 1.15 .61
4W thru 4 games Tm WS perW bpmW eW
.79 Kemba Walker BOS .77 .63 1.02 .76
.75 Nikola Vučević ORL .47 .62 1.16 .77
.71 Joel Embiid PHI .48 .66 .91 .77
.64 Shai G-Alexander OKC .57 .46 1.01 .51
.60 Serge Ibaka TOR .77 .57 .53 .53
.56 Rudy Gobert UTA .66 .63 .43 .51
.54 Nikola Jokić DEN .27 .61 .70 .57
.51 Lou Williams LAC .51 .52 .68 .35
.48 Jaylen Brown BOS .49 .39 .60 .45
.48 Jeff Green HOU .53 .38 .62 .38
4W thru 4 games Tm WS perW bpmW eW
.48 Jimmy Butler MIA .50 .44 .44 .52
.47 Malcolm Brogdon IND .35 .45 .62 .46
.47 Mike Conley UTA .60 .48 .39 .40
.46 Damian Lillard POR .31 .40 .70 .41
.45 Bam Adebayo MIA .45 .39 .40 .55
.43 Goran Dragić MIA .40 .40 .39 .52
.42 Chris Paul OKC .31 .40 .46 .50
.41 Marcus Morris LAC .41 .31 .63 .30
.41 Kristaps Porziņģis DAL .45 .42 .36 .41
.39 Norman Powell TOR .52 .38 .35 .33
4W thru 4 games Tm WS perW bpmW eW
.38 Myles Turner IND .26 .41 .43 .41
.37 Danuel House HOU .46 .30 .43 .28
.36 Kyle Lowry TOR .49 .27 .34 .35
.36 Seth Curry DAL .42 .36 .47 .19
.33 Jordan Clarkson UTA .37 .41 .24 .31
.32 Tyler Herro MIA .47 .29 .26 .28
.32 Pascal Siakam TOR .39 .32 .10 .46
.31 JaVale McGee LAL .42 .33 .18 .31
.31 Danilo Gallinari OKC .35 .31 .31 .27
.30 Caris LeVert BRK -.01 .34 .48 .38Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:09 pm
The equation for VORP is: [BPM - (-2.0)] * (% of possessions played) * (team games/82)
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:15 pm
Thanks for that.
My simpler formula seems to give almost exactly the same result. 4000 minutes is 82G * 48.78 mpg, so it's a bit heavy on overtimes.
I'm assuming you aren't scouring pbp to determine actual % of possessions, but rather just (min/team min) ?
And I like to avoid double negatives; in this case, I see no reason not to [subtract minus-2].
My simpler formula seems to give almost exactly the same result. 4000 minutes is 82G * 48.78 mpg, so it's a bit heavy on overtimes.
I'm assuming you aren't scouring pbp to determine actual % of possessions, but rather just (min/team min) ?
And I like to avoid double negatives; in this case, I see no reason not to [subtract minus-2].
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:16 pm
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:22 pm
Yep, your formula works perfectly fine.Mike G wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:15 pm Thanks for that.
My simpler formula seems to give almost exactly the same result. 4000 minutes is 82G * 48.78 mpg, so it's a bit heavy on overtimes.
I'm assuming you aren't scouring pbp to determine actual % of possessions, but rather just (min/team min) ?
And I like to avoid double negatives; in this case, I see no reason not to [subtract minus-2].
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:53 pm
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:20 pm
BPM disappeared from this year's playoffs about 3 days ago. Then the single-game version was scratched from the boxscores. Any idea what's going on?DSMok1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:39 pm Here is BPM up to this point (via Stathead.com ):
Donovan Mitchell is rolling!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:32 pm
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Re: 2020 playoffs
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:36 pm
I see it on the boxscores right now, but it is missing off of the summary locations. I'm not sure why. I will ask.