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Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:42 am
by ampersand5
PTPM + RPM + BPM blend
GSW 69
Cle 56
Sas 56
Tor 52
Lac 51
Bos 50
Uta 48
Hou 47
Cha 45
Okc 45
Por 45
Atl 41
Det 41
Dal 40
Ind 40
Was 40
Chi 39
Mem 38
Den 37
Min 37
NYK 37
Nop 36
Orl 36
Mia 35
Mil 34
Sac 34
Phi 28
Brk 25
Phx 25
Lal 23
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:42 am
by Mike G
avg of eWins and fauxRPM, using Kevin Pelton's player minutes
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Atl 45
Bos 46
Brk 24
Cha 42
Chi 43
Cle 54
Dal 38
Den 38
Det 43
GSW 66
Hou 42
Ind 44
LAC 51
LAL 30
Mem 39
Mia 31
Mil 34
Min 43
NOP 34
NYK 34
Okl 48
Orl 34
Phl 25
Phx 30
Por 43
Sac 34
SAS 60
Tor 50
Uta 45
Was 40
EDITED to relieve rounding errors.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:19 am
by tarrazu
Got my submission in before last year's fwiw.
Player based projection inspired by many of the public systems out there, with an emphasis in utilizing SportsVU data.
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team wins team wins
GSW 68 ATL 44
CLE 57 BKN 21
BOS 55 BOS 55
SAS 54 CHA 41
LAC 54 CHI 34
HOU 49 CLE 57
UTA 49 DAL 36
TOR 48 DEN 36
POR 46 DET 44
WAS 44 GSW 68
OKC 44 HOU 49
DET 44 IND 40
ATL 44 LAC 54
MEM 43 LAL 24
CHA 41 MEM 43
IND 40 MIA 35
MIN 38 MIL 35
NYK 37 MIN 38
DAL 36 NOP 32
DEN 36 NYK 37
SAC 35 OKC 44
MIL 35 ORL 35
MIA 35 PHI 23
ORL 35 PHX 27
CHI 34 POR 46
NOP 32 SAC 35
PHX 27 SAS 54
LAL 24 TOR 48
PHI 23 UTA 49
BKN 21 WAS 44
(edit: failed on my initial 2nd column alphabetization)
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:25 am
by lanqiu
I am a little late, however, these projections only use data that was available prior to the start of the season. It took a little longer than expected to finish the models, if it is too late to enter I understand.
GSW 65.4
SAS 58.2
CLE 56.0
BOS 51.3
LAC 50.8
TOR 50.6
UTA 49.5
OKC 44.5
HOU 44.3
POR 44.1
ATL 43.1
DET 42.8
CHA 42.1
IND 41.7
MEM 41.6
WAS 41.0
NOP 38.7
CHI 37.5
NYK 37.5
MIN 37.2
DAL 36.9
ORL 36.8
DEN 36.6
SAC 35.4
MIL 33.2
MIA 33.1
PHO 28.9
PHI 26.2
BKN 22.6
LAL 22.5
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:45 pm
by Crow
Entered, barring major uproar.
After tomorrow, probably too late.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:56 am
by BasketDork
I took a look back at a year ago, where I found myself finishing right in the middle of the pack. 13th of 22 in average error, and 14th out of 22 in RMSE. Out of the 40 predictions presented from apbr members, magazines, Westgate..I finished 26th in avg. error and 25th in RMSE. I figured I'd post my biggest successes and failures from a year ago in an easy spot so that I could see who I "got right" and who I'm still way off on.
FROM 2015-2016
(+) denotes being too high on a team's win total
(--) denotes being too low on a team's win total
Miami................0
Minnesota.........0
Atlanta..............+1
Cleveland......... -1
Dallas............... -1
Oklahoma City..+2
Utah...................+2
L.A. Clippers.....+3
Memphis...........+3
Indiana............... -3
Denver................+4
Washington.......+4
Chicago..............+5
Philadelphia.......+5
Sacramento.......+5
Orlando............... -5
Brooklyn.............+8
Phoniex...............+9
Portland...............-9
L.A. Lakers.........+10
New York............-10
Boston................ -12
Golden State....... -12
Toronto................-12
Charlotte..............-13
San Antonio.........-13
New Orleans........+14
Detroit...................-14
Houston...............+15
Milwaukee............+15
Underestimated both Spurs and Dubs. Teams like Houston, New Orleans, and Charlotte made everyone look a little dumber. I dont even remember why I was so high on the Bucks, except for some grittiness in the '14-'15 playoffs. Way underestimated some teams, namely Boston, New York, and Toronto. Gave the Lakers way too much credit. Within 3 wins on ten (10) teams. Not too bad. Nailed Miami, Minnesota, Atlanta. Cleveland, and Dallas. Should have reversed Phoniex and Portland, the Lakers & Knicks, and the Kings & Magic. Hopefully 2016-17 treats me even better.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:44 am
by AcrossTheCourt
Anyone want to do a summary of the entries and early numbers on the leaders?
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:56 pm
by Mike G
Now that b-r.com has their Playoff Probabilities Report going, here are the avg errors/departures from that forecast.
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MG 5.19 RR 5.79 ncs2 6.13
snd 5.42 yoop 5.88 BD 6.26
jgo 5.48 tzu 5.91 shad 6.36
sbs 5.65 lqi 5.93 ATC 6.45
kmed 5.67 cal 5.94 ncs1 6.56
amp 5.70 GK5 5.98 nre 6.91
taco 5.73 Crow 6.01 16py 7.41
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fri ... f_prob.cgi
square root of avg of squared errors:
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MG 6.42 RR 7.69 cal 7.98
jgo 7.05 yoop 7.72 ncs2 8.00
snd 7.28 lqi 7.73 BD 8.00
taco 7.53 shad 7.90 ATC 8.30
sbs 7.57 Crow 7.92 ncs1 8.39
amp 7.59 tzu 7.94 nre 8.47
kmed 7.59 GK5 7.95 16py 9.28
Big stories are how weak the GSW look and how well the Lakers are doing.
From 1/3 to 1/2 of our squared errors are due to just these 2.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:30 pm
by Mike G
Ranked by projected surplus wins beyond what we predicted.
Error column is just b-r.com
projected wins minus our avg prediction.
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err tm avg proj
19.2 LAL 23.4 42.6
10.2 Chi 39.2 49.4
9.9 Atl 42.9 52.8
9.0 LAC 51.3 60.3
9.0 Brk 25.1 34.1
8.3 Cha 41.9 50.2
5.0 Mil 31.8 36.8
4.5 Mia 36.7 41.2
3.9 Min 38.3 42.2
3.2 Phx 28.3 31.5
1.2 Phl 23.7 24.9
0.4 Mem 39.3 39.7
-0.1 Den 36.0 35.9
-0.1 Okl 46.2 46.1
-0.3 Hou 46.5 46.2
-0.3 NYK 35.5 35.2
-0.8 Det 41.3 40.5
-1.0 Sac 36.1 35.1
-1.2 Tor 50.6 49.4
-2.9 Uta 48.2 45.3
-4.0 SAS 57.4 53.4
-4.8 Cle 56.8 52.0
-5.4 Was 41.3 35.9
-5.5 Ind 40.5 35.0
-5.7 Orl 35.4 29.7
-6.2 NOP 35.0 28.8
-8.8 Dal 37.9 29.1
-9.0 Por 43.9 34.9
-11.2 Bos 50.7 39.5
-16.5 GSW 68.6 52.1
The Dubs are 10-2 with SRS 6.52, expected to go 42-28 (.600) the rest of the way.
Lakers at 7-6 and 0.92 presume to go 36-33 hereafter. Their worst case scenario is 27 wins, 10 better than last year.
GSW best case is 66-16, a dropoff of 7.
East teams are currently 27-25 vs the West; apparently due to schedule advantage, since projections are for West teams to avg 41.5 wins vs 40.5 in the east.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:23 pm
by Mike G
things change quickly
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avg error
MG 5.27 BD 5.80 lqi 6.01
kmed 5.40 amp 5.83 ncs2 6.01
snd 5.50 taco 5.84 shad 6.09
jgo 5.53 tzu 5.88 ATC 6.23
sbs 5.74 RR 5.90 nre 6.67
yoop 5.79 GK5 5.93 ncs1 6.71
Crow 5.79 cal 5.93 16py 7.32
RMSE
MG 6.48 amp 7.51 cal 7.80
jgo 6.89 RR 7.54 tzu 7.81
snd 7.16 Crow 7.55 GK5 7.81
kmed 7.29 shad 7.58 ATC 8.03
taco 7.37 lqi 7.59 nre 8.12
yoop 7.43 BD 7.65 ncs1 8.21
sbs 7.46 ncs2 7.73 16py 9.02
sum of sq.rts. of errors , squared
kmed 4.34 Crow 4.72 ncs2 4.99
snd 4.46 GK5 4.77 RR 4.99
MG 4.54 yoop 4.86 shad 5.06
jgo 4.59 cal 4.91 ATC 5.21
sbs 4.60 taco 4.91 nre 5.81
BD 4.68 amp 4.95 ncs1 5.91
tzu 4.71 lqi 4.96 16py 6.33
This last block -- SMRE? -- has the opposite skewing effect that RMSE has: Rather than exaggerate larger errors, they're compressed. Exacting predictions gain distinction over near misses.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:04 pm
by Mike G
Relative to the power ratings shown here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228
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MG 5.67 BD 6.35 RR 6.51
kmed 5.74 cal 6.37 shad 6.53
yoop 5.88 Crow 6.39 lqi 6.67
jgo 5.93 taco 6.45 ATC 6.70
snd 6.04 amp 6.45 ncs1 7.12
tzu 6.23 GK5 6.50 nre 7.44
sbs 6.25 ncs2 6.51 16py 7.73
avg absolute errors
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:16 pm
by Mike G
avg error
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MG 5.08 taco 5.47 ncs2 5.69
snd 5.10 BD 5.56 shad 5.80
jgo 5.32 lqi 5.57 cal 5.82
tzu 5.38 sbs 5.58 ATC 5.96
Crow 5.38 yoop 5.58 ncs1 6.24
amp 5.41 RR 5.60 nre 6.28
kmed 5.45 GK5 5.61 16py 7.61
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:39 am
by Mike G
Amazing how everyone's errors are approaching zero. Teams seem to be doing just what they're supposed to be doing.
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Mike 4.32 trzu 4.62 shad 4.86
RyRi 4.36 jg34 4.68 ATCt 4.92
sndi 4.43 ncsD 4.71 cali 5.00
ampd 4.45 kmed 4.72 yoop 5.01
lnqi 4.45 BaDo 4.80 GK5. 5.15
sbs. 4.53 Crow 4.84 nrfo 5.27
taco 4.61 ncsB 4.84 16py 7.05
In just 2 days of games, the largest error among us has improved by
1.01
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fri ... f_prob.cgi
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:08 pm
by Nathan
I did over/under picks for fun just before the season started, so I have the preseason vegas lines for all the teams, which i took to be the median line on oddschecker a few hours before tip off of the season opener:
tm proj oddschecker
Atl 46 43.5
Bos 43 52.5
Brk 27 20.5
Cha 45 41.5
Chi 49 39.5
Cle 55 57.5
Dal 26 39.5
Den 39 36.5
Det 43 45.5
GSW 60 67.5
Hou 48 43.5
Ind 34 44.5
LAC 60 53.5
LAL 38 25.5
Mem 43 43.5
Mia 37 35.5
Mil 37 35.5
Min 36 41.5
NOP 35 36.5
NYK 39 39.5
Okl 43 44.5
Orl 29 36.5
Phl 25 23.5
Phx 29 28.5
Por 38 44.5
Sac 36 33.5
SAS 56 57.5
Tor 51 50.5
Uta 47 47.5
Was 35 42.5
Average error 4.5
As expected the vegas lines are doing well, but only slightly better than the median prediction here.
Re: 2016-17 Team Win Projection Contest / Discussion
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:17 pm
by Mike G
It's a tough crowd. If you're better than Vegas, but not by much, you may be middle of the pack.
Those oddschecker numbers sum to 1252 wins, 22 more than is possible. Teams avg 41.73 wins.
Dropping the .5 from each one gives an avg error of 4.53