The Value of Individual Efficiency
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:53 am
Hey guys, been a while.
So various topics over on RealGM have had me considering something and I've spent some time hunting through the older posts and the b-ref blog, etc, leading me to the question:
How much difference does an individual player's scoring efficiency (ITO of TS%) really make to a team? Traditionally, you guys seem to mostly work with ORTG, which would seem a more comprehensive picture of player offensive impact, so maybe that's a better way to go, but has anyone done anything with usage-weighted TS differential against league average TS to see what the value is? Is that even a meaningful angle of analysis?
I saw in one of the other posts (Questions and Comments on ASPM) Mike G said that points per possession will always have value relative to opponent PPP, so is there a way to apply that at a player level and say this team had an ORTG of X and a DRTG of Y and his TS% contributed thus to his individual ORTG of Z, so the shift in value if his TS% had been some given other number would be the final value, or something like that? Is this just treading over individual ORTG?
I saw some stuff by EvanZ (PSAMS) and DMok (ASPM) and a few other more comprehensive examples; are those the only alternatives? I don't mean to diminish that work, but it seems to be a little deeper than what I'm looking for, though I might be thinking too simply. Is that the direction you need to go to in order to properly value individual player scoring efficiency? I saw Evan breaking it down by shot location relative to what an average player (at the same position) would do, I guess that's the more in-depth version of where I want to go.
Thoughts, links, better searches than what I've managed so people don't have to reiterate themselves?
Thanks in advance!
For the sake of clarity, I guess I'm talking mostly about primary offensive players. Major scorers and major playmakers. So players like Kobe, Rondo, etc.
How much of a difference does it make if your primary scorer is someone like Melo, who's typically in the 0 to +2.5% range compared to league average TS, versus a player who is in that +3.5 or better range?
What impact is there if you're a volume playmaker but an inefficient scorer using 10+ FGA/g? ElGee had an article about Rondo, for example, noting the general low-impact nature of his assists that kind of drove that comment, so I'm wondering what his scoring efficiency (or lack thereof) does to his ability to drive a quality team offense. I bring this up because these are the thoughts that spawned my post, so I figured I'd show you the whole thought process.
Cheers!
So various topics over on RealGM have had me considering something and I've spent some time hunting through the older posts and the b-ref blog, etc, leading me to the question:
How much difference does an individual player's scoring efficiency (ITO of TS%) really make to a team? Traditionally, you guys seem to mostly work with ORTG, which would seem a more comprehensive picture of player offensive impact, so maybe that's a better way to go, but has anyone done anything with usage-weighted TS differential against league average TS to see what the value is? Is that even a meaningful angle of analysis?
I saw in one of the other posts (Questions and Comments on ASPM) Mike G said that points per possession will always have value relative to opponent PPP, so is there a way to apply that at a player level and say this team had an ORTG of X and a DRTG of Y and his TS% contributed thus to his individual ORTG of Z, so the shift in value if his TS% had been some given other number would be the final value, or something like that? Is this just treading over individual ORTG?
I saw some stuff by EvanZ (PSAMS) and DMok (ASPM) and a few other more comprehensive examples; are those the only alternatives? I don't mean to diminish that work, but it seems to be a little deeper than what I'm looking for, though I might be thinking too simply. Is that the direction you need to go to in order to properly value individual player scoring efficiency? I saw Evan breaking it down by shot location relative to what an average player (at the same position) would do, I guess that's the more in-depth version of where I want to go.
Thoughts, links, better searches than what I've managed so people don't have to reiterate themselves?
Thanks in advance!
For the sake of clarity, I guess I'm talking mostly about primary offensive players. Major scorers and major playmakers. So players like Kobe, Rondo, etc.
How much of a difference does it make if your primary scorer is someone like Melo, who's typically in the 0 to +2.5% range compared to league average TS, versus a player who is in that +3.5 or better range?
What impact is there if you're a volume playmaker but an inefficient scorer using 10+ FGA/g? ElGee had an article about Rondo, for example, noting the general low-impact nature of his assists that kind of drove that comment, so I'm wondering what his scoring efficiency (or lack thereof) does to his ability to drive a quality team offense. I bring this up because these are the thoughts that spawned my post, so I figured I'd show you the whole thought process.
Cheers!