Page 1 of 1
VEDS (Early conference ranks)
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:44 am
by Dr Positivity
I created a stat I call VEDS - short for Volume, Efficiency, Defense, Spacing. My goal was to create a stat weighing these areas relatively equally. There is a calculation for each part then they are added together into a net value
For readability purposes in these calculations:
Possessions = FGA + (0.44*FTA) + TOV
Distance = (Player’s average shot distance / 23)
% of FGs assisted = (% of player’s FGA that are from 2 * Assisted percentage on 2pt FGM) + (% of player’s FGA that are from 3 * Assisted percentage on 3pt FGM)
To calculate each part:
Volume
(Possessions /25)*10
eg. 2014 Kevin Durant uses roughly 28.66 possessions, which divided by 25 is 1.146. Multiplied by 10 is 11.46.
My reasoning for this is it means a player using 25 possessions a game would lead to a value of 10 in this category which felt like a good match to me as an elite threshold. In 2013-2014 Durant leads the league at 11.46 with Carmelo the only other player above 10 at 10.79
Efficiency
(((((( (ORTG - 105) / 100) + 1 ) * Possessions) - Possessions)) * 2.7 )
eg. 2014 Kevin Durant has 123 ORTG which is +18 from 105 ORTG. 18 divided by 100 plus 1 is 1.18. Multiplying 1.18 times roughly 28.66 possessions = 33.82, which is +5.16 from 28.66. 5.16 * 2.7 = 13.93.
I developed the original version of this formula years ago. My reasoning for all these numbers: I take the player's ORTG and subtract 105 which I use as an estimate for average player efficiency. For example Durant is +18 from 105. After dividing by 100 and adding to 1 to turn turning it into the e.g. 1.18 style number, I multiply this by the player’s number of possessions such as 28.66, and then subtract this by the number of possessions. I do this because to estimate the difference between the player and if his possessions were used at at 1 point per possession. For example in Durant’s case, 1 * 28.66 possessions is 28.66 points, but at Durant’s efficiency, 28.66 possessions leads to 33.82 points, for a difference of +5.16 points. I then multiply this by 2.7 ,which when I first created the stat was an estimate of wins per point. Trying to turn the stat into wins isn’t as relevant to VEDS, but I kept things this way, since it fits the scale of 10 being a rare/elite number. For example in 13-14 after Durant, Lebron at 10.56 and Paul at 10.1 were the only other 2 players rating above 10.
Defense
(DRAPM*1.5)+5) * (Minutes played/36)
eg. 2014 Kevin Durant is at 0.3 DRAPM, which times 1.5 then added to 5 = 5.45. When adjusted for Durant’s 38.5mpg his number is pushed up to roughly 5.83.
There are probably more sophisticated ways to put DRAPM into a calculation but this worked well enough for now. Multiplying DRAPM by 1.5 and adding it to 5 helped make the Defense portion scaled more similar to the other stats where 10 is an special number. Andre Iguodala leads 13-14 at 11.925 while one other player in Marc Gasol is over 10, at 10.34.
I felt the minutes played addition was necessary because the Volume and Efficiency categories were both affected by how many minutes you play.
Spacing
(Distance * % of FGM assisted) *10) * 1.5) * (Minutes Played/36)
eg. 2014 Kevin Durant has a distance value of 0.6 after his average shot distance of 13.8 is divided by 23 and has .479 FGM assisted, for a value of roughly .287 when multiplied together, or 2.87 when multiplied by 10. Times 1.5 and then adjusted for his 38.5 minutes played takes him to roughly 4.61 for the stat.
I made a thread on here last month saying why I thought this was a good shorthand for spacing. Factoring in assisted FGM helps get away from the ball dominant long range chuckers who are less likely to have their shots assisted, while I feel spot up shooters are more of the “floor spacer” type of specialists I was looking to isolate in this stat. In addition to that 3 point shots are far more likely to be assisted than 2s, so players who take a lot of 3s are likely to have a high percentage of them assisted and thus perform well in this category. I multiply for 1.5 and adjust for minutes played for the same reason I did in the defense category.
In 2013-2014 Kyle Korver leads the league at 12.47 while 2nd and 3rd place are Martell Webster and J.J. Redick at roughly 8.43 and 8.42.
I understand from the other thread there are concerns about how for example prime Dwight Howard spaces the floor by being a low block nightmare who draws doubles, but would not get called a floor spacer here. This is true but one of the main reasons I wanted to treat Volume as equally important as stats like efficiency, spacing and defense is the concept that higher volume players take pressure off their teammates and open up space for them. Orlando Dwight might not be getting credit for "spacing" here but in the volume category his high usage helps account for how the attention he creates opens up space for teammates. Likewise, Durant’s spacing number is mediocre for a player who is typically rated very very spacing positive, but by leading the league in the Volume category, this helps account for the space he creates by being ultra high usage. In Volume+Spacing combined, he rates 3rd in the league with Korver at 16.7, Love at 16.17, Durant at 16.07.
So to recap in the 4 categories Durant had
Volume 11.46
Efficiency 13.93
Defense 5.83
Spacing 4.61
For a VEDS of 35.83 per 82 games. Adjusting for 81 games played puts him at 35.39.
On my spreadsheet for 2013-2014, top 10 players (per 82 games):
1 Kevin Durant - 35.83
2 Kevin Love - 32.70
3 Lebron James - 27.95
4 Dirk Nowitzki - 27.74
5 Chris Paul - 27.35
6 Carmelo Anthony - 27.05
7 Stephen Curry - 26.90
8 James Harden - 26.54
9 Blake Griffin - 26.05
10 Kyle Korver - 25.83
Including games played (thus "MVP ranking"):
1 Kevin Durant - 35.39
2 Kevin Love - 30.70
3 Dirk Nowitzki - 27.06
4 Lebron James - 26.24
5 Stephen Curry - 25.59
6 Blake Griffin - 25.42
7 Carmelo Anthony - 23.40
8 Wesley Matthews - 24.79
9 James Harden - 23.63
10 Kyle Lowry - 23.47
The most consistent trend were the 3 and D guys looking great compared to reputation, like Matthews rating as a fringe top 10 player, Ariza rating as the cleanly the best Wizard and top 20 overall, Carroll rating 2nd behind Korver on the Hawks. Westbrook was one of the biggest losers compared to conventional wisdom by ranking only 10th in PGs behind some players like George Hill and Patrick Beverley and 50th overall. For a season where he finished 4th in MVP voting, Noah only ranks 48th overall, but mainly because his DRAPM in 13-14 at only 1.3 is so far off from his DPOY reputation, normally Noah gets over 2 in DRAPM and had 4.9 in 12-13.
Some charts:
Top 10 in Spacing
1 Kyle Korver 12.47
2 Martell Webster 8.43
3 J.J. Redick (LAC) 8.42
4 Trevor Ariza 8.29
5 Nic Batum 7.93
6 Caron Butler (OKC) 7.93
7 Jared Dudley 7.67
8 Wesley Matthews 7.66
9 Anthony Tolliver 7.58
10 Josh McRoberts 7.57
Once again minutes are taken into account here, so I believe on a per minute basis a player like Tolliver would rate as more of a "pure floor spacer", this is more like spacing value added per game which favors guys who can do it longer compared to very limited spot up shooter bench players
Top 10 in Defense
1 Andre Iguodala 11.925
2 Marc Gasol 10.34
3 Dwight Howard 9.31
4 Eric Bledsoe 9.23
5 Amir Johnson 9.04
6 Paul George 8.50
7 Lamarcus Aldridge 8.50
8 Tim Duncan 8.19
9 Nene Hilario 8.00
10 Larry Sanders 7.97
Top 10 in Spacing+Defense
1 Kyle Korver 17.89
2 Andre Iguodala 17.36
3 Marc Gasol 14.78
4 Trevor Ariza 14.69
5 Jimmy Butler 14.13
6 DeMarre Carroll 13.85
7 Paul George 13.78
8 Chris Bosh 13.71
9 Lamarcus Aldridge 13.41
10 Wesley Matthews 13.36
For 2015 players so far I started a little since the stats change every day, but I was curious about current MVP rankings, etc. Of the stars I did Durant still rates as the best per game player, followed narrowly by Davis, Curry, Harden, Butler, Korver, Paul, Klay, LBJ, Westbrook. When including games played Curry and Harden are 1 and 2 respectively.
Re: Created a stat - VEDS
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:38 pm
by Crow
This is well presented. Giving example calculations helps understanding and avoids misunderstanding.
I might favor a different ratio of the parts. But I see this an exercise for discovery, not necessarily a precise valuation; so while the weights are important, the exercise as is will raise most of the same points of interest as it would with modestly different weights.
Re: Created a stat - VEDS
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:36 am
by Crow
End of season probably partly responsible for lack of much discussion. Perhaps pre-season might draw more attention, especially for guys who move.
Re: Created a stat - VEDS
Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 6:43 am
by Dr Positivity
Looks like DRAPM won't be up for a while (until after the playoffs) so I made a variant with DRPM for now. Also adjusted the ORTG number to 105.6 (league efficiency this year) instead of my 105 estimate
Per 82 games:
Code: Select all
Player Team VEDS
Anthony Davis NOP 34.32983491
Stephen Curry GSW 29.43811116
Kevin Durant OKC 29.38368418
Kyle Korver ATL 27.06935016
Jimmy Butler CHI 27.0671713
James Harden HOU 26.67493884
Lebron James CLE 26.17242306
Chris Paul LAC 25.73394333
J.J. Redick LAC 25.10848705
Wesley Matthews POR 24.98666685
Kawhi Leonard SAS 24.75038329
Kevin Love CLE 24.70043726
Draymond Green GSW 24.32811546
Serge Ibaka OKC 23.54558239
Trevor Ariza HOU 23.42776712
DeMarcus Cousins SAC 23.42767542
Blake Griffin LAC 23.05601383
Russell Westbrook OKC 22.35325963
Klay Thompson GSW 22.22466988
Kyrie Irving CLE 22.1489247
Khris Middleton MIL 21.83054852
Gordon Hayward UTA 21.44893898
Marc Gasol MEM 21.29974828
Danny Green SAS 21.23600695
Pau Gasol CHI 21.20686138
Tim Duncan SAS 20.93068372
Lamarcus Aldridge POR 20.69023444
Mike Dunleavy CHI 20.46568738
Paul Millsap ATL 20.38618384
Kyle Lowry TOR 20.37419817
Damian Lillard POR 20.35203749
Tyson Chandler DAL 19.90003738
Chris Bosh MIA 19.62226413
J.R. Smith CLE 19.55240273
Al Horford ATL 19.516777
Derrick Favors UTA 19.41390682
DeMarre Carroll ATL 19.08823425
Chandler Parsons DAL 18.9794019
Anthony Morrow OKC 18.50521431
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 18.39116546
Matt Barnes LAC 18.22433401
Eric Bledsoe PHX 18.10680645
John Wall WAS 18.0185919
Isaiah Thomas PHX 17.99638823
Darren Collison SAC 17.87400948
Deandre Jordan LAC 17.74267884
Markieff Morris PHX 17.70889423
Nikola Vucevic ORL 17.5956209
Zach Randolph MEM 17.38869715
Marcin Gortat WAS 17.37567531
Ben McLemore SAC 17.32281466
George Hill IND 17.23018939
Greg Monroe DET 17.07742705
Luol Deng MIA 16.99873171
Brook Lopez BKN 16.83740545
Paul Pierce WAS 16.65458343
Nicolas Batum POR 16.54123878
C.J. Miles IND 16.52955742
Bradley Beal WAS 16.43316925
Jared Dudley MIL 16.35712951
Jeff Teague ATL 16.22445419
Harrison Barnes GSW 16.20934482
Danilo Gallinari DEN 16.19703278
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO 16.15943009
Avery Bradley BOS 16.04496812
DeMar Derozan TOR 15.95086047
Carmelo Anthony NYK 15.92747539
Kevin Garnett MIN 15.7782948
Isaiah Thomas BOS 15.77107691
Robert Covington PHI 15.73002993
Rudy Gay SAC 15.68230844
Patrick Beverley HOU 15.67918665
Jrue Holiday NOP 15.60189212
Kevin Martin MIN 15.5210443
Marvin Williams CHO 15.50638251
Enes Kanter OKC 15.49218553
Mike Conley MEM 15.2319684
Anthony Tolliver DET 15.1419294
Goran Dragic MIA 15.0683654
Andre Iguodala GSW 15.05176515
Rudy Gobert UTA 15.02217455
Jonas Valanciunas TOR 15.01142413
Timofey Mozgov CLE 14.82590624
Arron Afflalo DEN 14.60104691
David West IND 14.54066445
Patrick Patterson TOR 14.51550659
Ricky Rubio MIN 14.50280375
Robin Lopez POR 14.47847937
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope DET 14.42960486
P.J. Tucker PHX 14.27861619
Louis Williams TOR 14.25981301
Nikola Mirotic CHI 14.23501981
Thaddeus Young MIN 14.23084463
Goran Dragic PHX 14.21406175
Tobias Harris ORL 14.19498523
Channing Frye ORL 14.17582517
Courtney Lee MEM 14.12935193
Donatas Motiejunas HOU 14.10729804
Thaddeus Young BKN 14.07768659
Eric Gordon NOP 14.0768513
Ty Lawson DEN 13.92246028
Terrence Jones HOU 13.87252081
Joe Johnson BKN 13.83314593
Jared Sullinger BOS 13.81508266
Jason Terry HOU 13.79219608
Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 13.72186814
Gorgui Dieng MIN 13.65951105
Jeff Green MEM 13.65896655
Brandon Jennings DET 13.64329437
Alan Anderson BKN 13.60695793
Cody Zeller CHO 13.60493097
Hassan Whiteside MIA 13.55925956
Wesley Johnson LAL 13.55406953
Andrew Bogut GSW 13.53533779
Marcus Smart BOS 13.48803445
Joakim Noah CHI 13.45873221
Gerald Henderson CHO 13.44399344
Tony Allen MEM 13.27045609
Arron Afflalo POR 13.25272793
Wilson Chandler DEN 13.22369301
Dwight Howard HOU 13.22085049
Brandan Wright DAL 13.11829042
Monta Ellis DAL 13.10276647
Quincy Pondexter NOP 13.07768486
Tyler Zeller BOS 13.07632875
Jeff Green BOS 13.00206046
Langston Galloway NYK 12.9699084
Kelly Olynyk BOS 12.90898843
Brandon Knight MIL 12.86891148
Jodie Meeks DET 12.86442799
Amir Johnson TOR 12.84153015
Andre Drummond DET 12.83068697
Wayne Ellington LAL 12.78547066
Reggie Jackson DET 12.71663292
Kenneth Faried DEN 12.68356756
Deron Williams BKN 12.6395444
Timofey Mozgov DEN 12.61079989
Manu Ginobili SAS 12.59808337
Zaza Pachulia MIL 12.59626365
Al Jefferson CHO 12.56787971
C.J. Watson IND 12.3853632
Taj Gibson CHI 12.3260256
Mo Williams CHO 12.29102642
Luc Mbah a Moute PHI 12.29031606
Iman Shumpert CLE 12.21138269
Nerlens Noel PHI 12.21130535
Tyreke Evans NOP 12.15168761
Jae Crowder BOS 12.12374854
Nene Hilario WAS 12.07876662
Ryan Anderson NOP 11.97104618
Brandon Bass BOS 11.95930071
Caron Butler DET 11.95164327
Mario Chalmers MIA 11.85451614
Roy Hibbert IND 11.84467883
Iman Shumpert NYK 11.78782449
Henry Walker MIA 11.73785989
Ersan Ilyasova MIL 11.70048395
Kemba Walker CHO 11.63923411
Andrew Wiggins MIN 11.6363383
Shawne Williams MIA 11.62639377
Dante Cunningham NOP 11.62195004
Hollis Thompson PHI 11.59849622
Anderson Varejao CLE 11.49783726
Tiago Splitter SAS 11.41793925
Alexey Shved NYK 11.39029258
Dwyane Wade MIA 11.38299929
Nikola Pekovic MIN 11.37804471
Chris Johnson UTA 11.35486357
Rasual Butler WAS 11.31959586
Jonas Jerebko BOS 11.31793117
Evan Fournier ORL 11.29959994
Mirza Teletovic BKN 11.27343299
Josh Smith HOU 11.22796574
Gary Neal MIN 11.22700566
Corey Brewer HOU 11.20076322
Jose Calderon NYK 11.19737279
Rodney Stuckey IND 11.16247667
Shabazz Muhammad MIN 11.11619945
Marcus Morris PHX 11.09616247
O.J. Mayo MIL 11.06381354
Victor Oladipo ORL 11.04491161
Kyle Singler DET 11.02372255
Rodney Hood UTA 10.93686435
Tayshaun Prince BOS 10.86746943
Jamal Crawford LAC 10.83420978
Omer Asik NOP 10.828856
Meyers Leonard POR 10.81662109
Darrell Arthur DEN 10.80601372
Alec Burks UTA 10.71501232
Jeremy Lin LAL 10.68463396
Will Barton DEN 10.64886189
Al-Farouq Aminu DAL 10.57204681
Tristan Thompson CLE 10.53735214
Nick Young LAL 10.52611592
Reggie Jackson OKC 10.52301762
Kevin Garnett BKN 10.4164333
Mo Williams MIN 10.41047489
Brandan Wright PHX 10.3807769
Thabo Sefolosha ATL 10.37638227
Boris Diaw SAS 10.32882601
Ryan Kelly LAL 10.25091244
James Johnson TOR 10.08722511
Andre Roberson OKC 10.07461331
Steven Adams OKC 10.0508464
Otto Porter WAS 10.01950771
Jonas Jerebko DET 10.01851585
Devin Harris DAL 9.983702772
Ed Davis LAL 9.981037636
Derrick Rose CHI 9.94589898
Andrea Bargnani NYK 9.897992861
Brandon Knight PHX 9.878221803
Marco Belinelli SAS 9.781752514
Pablo Prigioni NYK 9.762472654
Chris Anderson MIA 9.755261039
Pero Antic ATL 9.708652928
Alex Len PHX 9.702141353
Luis Scola IND 9.673022972
Josh Smith DET 9.630342879
Greivis Vasquez TOR 9.628445254
Michael Carter-Williams MIL 9.51983215
Amar'e Stoudemire DAL 9.448422084
Tony Snell CHI 9.446478278
Quincy Acy NYK 9.416532096
Mike Scott ATL 9.414339693
Tayshaun Prince DET 9.343534668
Kris Humphries WAS 9.326726875
Terrence Ross TOR 9.266294414
Larry Sanders MIL 9.250132895
Cory Joseph SAS 9.224830373
Trey Burke UTA 9.221609145
Jabari Brown LAL 9.198304069
Jordan Hill LAL 9.130078095
Jason Richardson PHI 9.115156132
Joe Ingles UTA 9.100973246
Matthew Dellavedova CLE 9.071048833
Amar'e Stoudemire NYK 9.058924464
Tarik Black LAL 9.042436116
Ronnie Price LAL 9.025647101
Pablo Prigioni HOU 8.955900403
Lavoy Allen IND 8.910588555
Solomon Hill IND 8.828715708
Norris Cole NOP 8.826421132
Patrick Mills SAS 8.797348083
Randy Foye DEN 8.75164456
Nick Collison OKC 8.707316565
Tim Hardaway NYK 8.698494864
Jason Thompson SAC 8.682842217
Dante Exum UTA 8.675558612
Mareese Speights GSW 8.670030812
Corey Brewer MIN 8.659874716
John Jenkins ATL 8.620681224
Chris Johnson MIL 8.614583648
Steve Blake POR 8.540728826
Richard Jefferson DAL 8.536446116
Alexey Shved PHI 8.466212133
Carl Landry SAC 8.465786369
David Lee GSW 8.451462889
Rajon Rondo BOS 8.429483997
Omri Casspi SAC 8.414790548
Aron Baynes SAS 8.386629758
Sean Kilpatrick MIN 8.336629065
Elfrid Payton ORL 8.235298089
A.J. Price IND 8.219741469
Kirk Hinrich CHI 8.150424924
Jerami Grant PHI 8.132780024
Sergey Karasev BKN 8.099198468
Danny Granger MIA 8.085305659
Bojan Bogdanovic BKN 8.070610885
Marcus Thornton BOS 8.046494892
Ramon Sessions WAS 8.044996072
Jordan Clarkson LAL 8.044879745
Kostas Koufos MEM 8.001330744
Jerryd Bayless MIL 7.966361797
J.R. Smith NYK 7.966130194
Chase Budinger MIN 7.957981867
Kyle O'Quinn ORL 7.956120148
Tayshaun Prince MEM 7.952438844
Spencer Hawes LAC 7.899385066
Mason Plumlee BKN 7.841770703
Mike Muscala ATL 7.839932222
Jameer Nelson DAL 7.828979842
Tony Parker SAS 7.820279329
James Jones CLE 7.81050054
James Ennis MIA 7.790157309
Drew Gooden WAS 7.774334748
Henry Sims PHI 7.757644754
Damjan Rudez IND 7.744301872
Dion Waiters OKC 7.714938497
Rajon Rondo DAL 7.678770123
Jusuf Nurkic DEN 7.66005658
Jarrett Jack BKN 7.659200909
Bismack Biyombo CHO 7.651190584
Quincy Pondexter MEM 7.628907815
Elijah Millsap UTA 7.601392737
Tyler Hansbrough TOR 7.567898578
Josh McRoberts MIA 7.488056593
Sebastian Telfair OKC 7.486673751
Beno Udrih MEM 7.4866232
Kobe Bryant LAL 7.485691717
Alexis Ajinca NOP 7.48330329
Isaiah Canaan PHI 7.420050646
Aaron Brooks CHI 7.343682228
C.J. McCollum POR 7.326814189
Evan Turner BOS 7.324267733
John Henson MIL 7.31054458
Carlos Boozer LAL 7.296267538
Trevor Booker UTA 7.262633711
Gerald Green PHX 7.258780012
Shabazz Napier MIA 7.203917396
Garrett Temple WAS 7.197707747
Allen Crabbe POR 7.134256311
Robbie Hummel MIN 7.127278263
Leandro Barbosa GSW 7.123857735
Shane Larkin NYK 7.093690899
Shaun Livingston GSW 7.086462844
Louis Amundson NYK 7.072185211
D.J. Augustin OKC 7.05514172
Enes Kanter UTA 7.035375587
Robert Sacre LAL 7.035281082
Anthony Tolliver PHX 7.012848291
D.J. Augustin DET 7.008853299
Jabari Parker MIL 6.993747324
Dion Waiters CLE 6.971049339
Luigi Datome BOS 6.868334111
Mike Miller CLE 6.85351433
Dorell Wright POR 6.852025968
Kyle Singler OKC 6.838341198
Luke Babbitt NOP 6.829786618
Jameer Nelson DEN 6.820503905
Thomas Robinson PHI 6.80869384
Michael Carter-Williams PHI 6.803728633
Justin Hamilton MIN 6.774637898
Troy Daniels CHO 6.769361555
Jeremy Lamb OKC 6.667771563
Austin Rivers NOP 6.607502738
Chris Johnson PHI 6.57871308
Donald Sloan IND 6.570988893
Chris Kaman POR 6.450967017
Ian Mahinmi IND 6.423688902
J.J. Barea DAL 6.416740638
Kent Bazemore ATL 6.415309317
Arinze Onuaku MIN 6.409808305
Matt Bonner SAS 6.409399382
Mitch McGary OKC 6.403339001
Cole Aldrich NYK 6.380595092
Kostas Papanikolaou HOU 6.36237136
Vince Carter MEM 6.340198157
Derrick Williams SAC 6.32321467
Reggie Bullock LAC 6.290686342
Hedo Turkoglu LAC 6.170593744
Brian Roberts CHO 6.160227704
Jason Smith NYK 6.152849981
Norris Cole MIA 6.134751748
Lance Thomas NYK 6.032103279
Shawn Marion CLE 5.999070871
Joel Freeland POR 5.914989406
Miles Plumlee PHX 5.897585646
Tyler Johnson MIA 5.888645437
Willie Green ORL 5.800299387
T.J. Warren PHX 5.785227744
Isaiah Canaan HOU 5.77645232
Jordan Farmar LAC 5.748345859
Nick Calathes MEM 5.629767861
Austin Rivers LAC 5.587217434
Justin Holiday GSW 5.566341823
Lorenzo Brown MIN 5.563528145
Charlie Villaneuva DAL 5.561214831
Dewayne Dedmon ORL 5.534196215
Kendall Marshall MIL 5.516623544
Glen Davis LAC 5.480535123
Michael Beasley MIA 5.467552649
Jannero Pargo CHO 5.467354528
Jon Leuer MEM 5.431883079
Udonis Haslem MIA 5.367095961
Aaron Gordon ORL 5.348940441
Tarik Black HOU 5.313663732
Dennis Schroeder ATL 5.309904334
Shelvin Mack ATL 5.263863736
Lance Thomas OKC 5.261283556
Tim Frazier POR 5.256097743
Nik Stauskas SAC 5.239926008
Elliott Williams UTA 5.118252684
Elton Brand ATL 5.089410513
J.J. Hickson DEN 5.049770511
Ray McCallum SAC 5.048335593
Jae Crowder DAL 5.025755544
James Young BOS 4.997112971
Justin Hamilton MIA 4.947748267
Maurice Harkless ORL 4.898203764
Andre Miller SAC 4.8791504
Jeff Adrien MIN 4.866975009
Dwight Powell DAL 4.850669921
Jorge Gutierrez MIL 4.841334577
Festus Ezeli GSW 4.838485308
Dwight Buycks LAL 4.793189847
Samuel Dalembert NYK 4.713820978
P.J. Hairston CHO 4.65675327
Tyrus Thomas MEM 4.62429514
Kevin Seraphin WAS 4.589609841
John Salmons NOP 4.571924768
Cleanthony Early NYK 4.52256598
K.J. McDaniels PHI 4.516517071
Markel Brown BKN 4.449751149
Reggie Evans SAC 4.438702411
Jason Maxiell CHO 4.40685127
Cory Jefferson BKN 4.357009241
Nate Robinson DEN 4.355558331
Jeffery Taylor CHO 4.289732121
Jeremy Evans UTA 4.282461989
Alonzo Gee DEN 4.264510571
Brandon Davies PHI 4.241757579
Lester Hudson LAC 4.214367219
Andrew Nicholson ORL 4.203455816
Austin Daye ATL 4.176801494
Kendrick Perkins OKC 4.161449101
Bernard James DAL 4.138015257
Steve Novak UTA 4.117857311
Gary Neal CHO 4.089096404
Ryan Hollins SAC 4.037375386
Victor Claver POR 4.021108889
Francisco Garcia HOU 4.006455969
Tony Wroten PHI 3.928917285
Brandan Wright BOS 3.884593826
Lance Stephenson CHO 3.843131814
Chris Copeland IND 3.799952234
Luke Ridnour ORL 3.797617609
Joel Anthony DET 3.794092621
James Michael McAdoo GSW 3.788731644
Nate Robinson LAC 3.749653337
Anthony Bennett MIN 3.744357346
Ramon Sessions SAC 3.728267524
Joey Dorsey HOU 3.70500068
Perry Jones III OKC 3.694100023
Jerome Jordan BKN 3.678189029
John Lucas III DET 3.676839543
Greg Smith DAL 3.66458536
Bryce Cotton UTA 3.637124521
Jordan Hamilton LAC 3.604995072
Javale McGee DEN 3.589349956
Andre Miller WAS 3.582809898
Travis Wear NYK 3.531598029
Russ Smith MEM 3.526677299
Joe Harris CLE 3.525681641
Quincy Miller DET 3.28750474
Toney Douglas NOP 3.279190377
Paul George IND 3.265511494
Zach LaVine MIN 3.242398721
Jarnell Stokes MEM 3.241850101
JaKarr Sampson PHI 3.211347078
Miles Plumlee MIL 3.1854898
Shayne Whittington IND 3.140060648
E'Twaun Moore CHI 3.138419496
Elliot Williams NOP 3.108550899
Ben Gordon ORL 3.040714029
Furkan Aldemir PHI 3.014033994
Jeff Withey NOP 3.006336327
Devyn Marble ORL 2.999971903
Noah Vonleh CHO 2.953704734
Earl Barron PHX 2.950116765
Chuck Hayes TOR 2.92814795
Phil Pressey BOS 2.918278754
Steve Novak OKC 2.866445314
Adreian Payne MIN 2.850118097
Ish Smith PHI 2.786863777
Troy Daniels HOU 2.773372332
Jordan Adams MEM 2.765116063
Kenyon Martin MIL 2.646813888
Raymond Felton DAL 2.637237778
Erick Green DEN 2.626076298
Troy Daniels MIN 2.609353714
Jimmer Fredette NOP 2.607085484
Ian Clark UTA 2.595522448
Grant Jerrett UTA 2.56974239
Cartier Martin DET 2.542545384
Malcolm Thomas PHI 2.501720558
Shannon Brown MIA 2.491690622
Jeff Ayres SAS 2.463923197
Austin Daye SAS 2.461423835
Reggie Williams SAS 2.439314347
JaMychal Green MEM 2.419505577
Ognjen Kuzmic GSW 2.396015622
Shawne Williams DET 2.323261183
Earl Clark BKN 2.292409841
Ricky Ledo NYK 2.27331302
Thomas Robinson POR 2.269831575
Quincy Miller SAC 2.188216404
Martell Webster WAS 2.183177651
Archie Goodwin PHX 2.124748171
Alexey Shved HOU 2.091616458
Landry Fields TOR 2.035172931
Chris Douglas-Roberts LAC 2.021093417
Will Barton POR 2.010551556
Jamaal Franklin DEN 1.988860483
Joffrey Lauvergne DEN 1.982932043
Xavier Henry LAL 1.979307733
Doug McDermott CHI 1.945501476
Spencer Dinwiddie DET 1.931407883
Gary Harris DEN 1.911986199
Glenn Robinson PHI 1.7822336
Kyle Anderson SAS 1.771515043
Louis Amundson CLE 1.753769554
Jack Cooley UTA 1.6915866
Will Cherry CLE 1.673492825
Nate Wolters MIL 1.613248597
C.J. Wilcox LAC 1.583772823
Jared Cunningham LAC 1.548268642
Ian Clark DEN 1.505301474
JaMychal Green SAS 1.500033478
Tim Frazier PHI 1.485610507
David Stockton SAC 1.441931705
Alonzo Gee POR 1.424180831
Ronny Turiaf MIN 1.382777778
Tyler Ennis PHX 1.293056303
Zoran Dragic MIA 1.277810671
Ekpe Udoh LAC 1.273739549
Andre Dawkins MIA 1.191595918
Darius Morris BKN 1.187427961
Nick Johnson HOU 1.177512356
Jorge Gutierrez BKN 1.160096211
Luigi Datome DET 1.143890797
Kendrick Perkins CLE 1.070736966
Nazr Mohammad CHI 1.066079818
Jameer Nelson BOS 1.050893411
Gerald Wallace BOS 1.018599995
Greg Stiemsma TOR 0.985526458
Eric Moreland SAC 0.9669872222
Johnny O'Bryant MIL 0.9644322087
Alex Kirk CLE 0.9584416889
Dahntay Jones LAC 0.8985239816
Brendan Haywood CLE 0.8799049391
Shavlik Randolph PHX 0.8141512
Sim Bhullar SAC 0.7862322222
Miroslav Raduljica MIN 0.7718310222
Clint Capela HOU 0.7592471188
Javale McGee PHI 0.7582273275
Glenn Robinson MIN 0.7440800889
DeJuan Blair WAS 0.74232583
Ish Smith OKC 0.6669103947
Glen Rice WAS 0.5026869386
Shavlik Randolph BOS 0.4819259111
Drew Gordon PHI 0.4442152563
Cameron Bairstow CHI 0.4200696
Dwight Powell BOS 0.3666120174
Zoran Dragic PHX 0.1379752874
Brandon Davies BKN 0.09815515652
K.J. McDaniels HOU 0.09296716812
David Wear SAC 0.04028611111
Tyler Ennis MIL -0.01859577101
Vander Blue LAL -0.05490496618
Brandon Rush GSW -0.07739561256
A.J. Price CLE -0.1123464415
Lucas Nogueira TOR -0.304138257
Larry Drew PHI -0.3043937333
Andrei Kirilenko BKN -0.3214234667
Toure' Murray WAS -0.3351118502
Jerrelle Benimon UTA -0.3831416667
Will Bynum WAS -0.6231057275
Bruno Caboclo TOR -0.6244428744
Nate Wolters NOP -0.691308321
Jerel McNeal PHX -0.8607519362
Darius Miller NOP -0.9130755556
Adreian Payne ATL -0.9746136
Marcus Thornton PHX -1.1971328
A.J. Price PHX -1.834711111
Kalin Lucas MEM -1.987866667
Reggie Bullock PHX -1.988157422
Patrick Christopher UTA -2.011054444
Malcolm Lee PHI -2.106755556
Grant Jerrett OKC -2.117149432
Seth Curry PHX -2.270744444
Toure' Murry UTA -2.358561111
Gal Mekel NOP -2.746275435
Ricky Ledo DAL -2.808702978
Russ Smith NOP -2.820143768
Julius Randle LAL -4.720251556
Adjusted for games played (* GP/82)
Code: Select all
Player Team VEDS (includes Games Played)
Stephen Curry GSW 28.72010845
Anthony Davis NOP 28.46864359
James Harden HOU 26.34963471
Chris Paul LAC 25.73394333
Kyle Korver ATL 24.75855197
J.J. Redick LAC 23.8836828
Draymond Green GSW 23.43806246
Trevor Ariza HOU 23.42776712
Kevin Love CLE 22.59186335
Lebron James CLE 22.02313647
Jimmy Butler CHI 21.45568457
Marc Gasol MEM 21.03999525
Khris Middleton MIL 21.03186991
Danny Green SAS 20.97703125
Klay Thompson GSW 20.86950708
Damian Lillard POR 20.35203749
Kyrie Irving CLE 20.25816284
Pau Gasol CHI 20.17238033
Gordon Hayward UTA 19.87950442
Tim Duncan SAS 19.65442252
Kawhi Leonard SAS 19.31737233
Blake Griffin LAC 18.83845032
Serge Ibaka OKC 18.37703991
Wesley Matthews POR 18.28292696
Russell Westbrook OKC 18.26424872
Tyson Chandler DAL 18.2012537
Paul Millsap ATL 18.14867586
Al Horford ATL 18.08872014
Lamarcus Aldridge POR 17.91471519
Eric Bledsoe PHX 17.88599174
Deandre Jordan LAC 17.74267884
Markieff Morris PHX 17.70889423
Derrick Favors UTA 17.51986713
Kyle Lowry TOR 17.39260819
Marcin Gortat WAS 17.37567531
John Wall WAS 17.35937512
Ben McLemore SAC 17.32281466
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 17.26975293
Matt Barnes LAC 16.89084616
DeMarcus Cousins SAC 16.85649817
Anthony Morrow OKC 16.69982755
DeMarre Carroll ATL 16.29483411
Harrison Barnes GSW 16.20934482
Nikola Vucevic ORL 15.87897496
Mike Dunleavy CHI 15.72363786
Chandler Parsons DAL 15.27610397
Avery Bradley BOS 15.06661641
Zach Randolph MEM 15.05606704
Rudy Gobert UTA 15.02217455
Luol Deng MIA 14.92571565
Paul Pierce WAS 14.82664134
Brook Lopez BKN 14.78406332
Marvin Williams CHO 14.74997361
Jonas Valanciunas TOR 14.64529183
Jeff Teague ATL 14.44372141
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope DET 14.42960486
Greg Monroe DET 14.37003008
Jared Dudley MIL 14.36235762
Patrick Patterson TOR 14.33848821
Nicolas Batum POR 14.32229211
Nikola Mirotic CHI 14.23501981
Andre Iguodala GSW 14.13397459
C.J. Miles IND 14.1105978
Louis Williams TOR 13.91201269
P.J. Tucker PHX 13.58209833
Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 13.55452828
Joe Johnson BKN 13.49575213
Robert Covington PHI 13.42807433
Courtney Lee MEM 13.26780608
Gerald Henderson CHO 13.11609116
Tyler Zeller BOS 13.07632875
Rudy Gay SAC 13.00484114
Mike Conley MEM 13.00289985
Channing Frye ORL 12.96569375
Jason Terry HOU 12.95120852
Andre Drummond DET 12.83068697
Monta Ellis DAL 12.7831868
Ty Lawson DEN 12.73395757
Bradley Beal WAS 12.62548369
Wilson Chandler DEN 12.57863481
Wesley Johnson LAL 12.56230835
Alan Anderson BKN 12.27944984
Donatas Motiejunas HOU 12.21485562
Gorgui Dieng MIN 12.16029642
Brandon Bass BOS 11.95930071
Tobias Harris ORL 11.77145117
Amir Johnson TOR 11.74530197
Tyreke Evans NOP 11.70711367
David West IND 11.70346163
DeMar Derozan TOR 11.67136132
Danilo Gallinari DEN 11.65396261
Andrew Wiggins MIN 11.6363383
Kenneth Faried DEN 11.60082399
Mario Chalmers MIA 11.5653816
Caron Butler DET 11.36863628
Zaza Pachulia MIL 11.21374691
Nerlens Noel PHI 11.16887685
Andrew Bogut GSW 11.05936136
Marcus Smart BOS 11.02071108
Joakim Noah CHI 10.996769
Roy Hibbert IND 10.97799501
J.R. Smith CLE 10.96842105
Marcus Morris PHX 10.96084342
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO 10.83864214
Manu Ginobili SAS 10.75446141
Patrick Beverley HOU 10.70773722
Tristan Thompson CLE 10.53735214
Chris Bosh MIA 10.52901978
Deron Williams BKN 10.4815734
Eric Gordon NOP 10.47180402
Robin Lopez POR 10.41744248
Rasual Butler WAS 10.3532889
Cody Zeller CHO 10.28665512
Boris Diaw SAS 10.20286471
Tony Allen MEM 10.19559431
Wayne Ellington LAL 10.1348243
Isaiah Thomas PHX 10.09553486
Kelly Olynyk BOS 10.07530804
Hollis Thompson PHI 10.04260039
Luc Mbah a Moute PHI 10.04208752
Omer Asik NOP 10.03650068
Al Jefferson CHO 9.96234367
Nene Hilario WAS 9.869236143
Darren Collison SAC 9.808907641
Jared Sullinger BOS 9.771643833
Victor Oladipo ORL 9.697971171
Kevin Durant OKC 9.675115523
Rodney Stuckey IND 9.66507126
Jeremy Lin LAL 9.642230646
Greivis Vasquez TOR 9.628445254
Ed Davis LAL 9.615877722
Anthony Tolliver DET 9.60219913
O.J. Mayo MIL 9.579643427
Luis Scola IND 9.555059277
Al-Farouq Aminu DAL 9.540627605
Arron Afflalo DEN 9.437262028
Jodie Meeks DET 9.412996087
Dante Cunningham NOP 9.35425247
Taj Gibson CHI 9.319677894
Terrence Ross TOR 9.266294414
Devin Harris DAL 9.253187935
Otto Porter WAS 9.041994764
George Hill IND 9.035343215
Goran Dragic PHX 9.013795256
Ryan Anderson NOP 8.905290454
Cory Joseph SAS 8.887336579
Solomon Hill IND 8.828715708
Kemba Walker CHO 8.800396524
Joe Ingles UTA 8.76801081
Dante Exum UTA 8.675558612
James Johnson TOR 8.611045825
C.J. Watson IND 8.609337833
Dwyane Wade MIA 8.606658003
Steven Adams OKC 8.579990827
Jason Thompson SAC 8.576953897
Trey Burke UTA 8.546857257
Jamal Crawford LAC 8.455968607
Steve Blake POR 8.436573597
Jae Crowder BOS 8.427483739
Thaddeus Young MIN 8.330250513
Timofey Mozgov CLE 8.316971795
Tony Snell CHI 8.294468732
Ersan Ilyasova MIL 8.275952063
Elfrid Payton ORL 8.235298089
Andre Roberson OKC 8.231696241
Alex Len PHX 8.163996992
Brandon Knight MIL 8.160773137
Mareese Speights GSW 8.035638313
Evan Fournier ORL 7.99239996
Hassan Whiteside MIA 7.937127548
Kostas Koufos MEM 7.90375354
Mason Plumlee BKN 7.841770703
Quincy Acy NYK 7.808831494
Mike Scott ATL 7.807013404
Jordan Hill LAL 7.793969105
Carmelo Anthony NYK 7.769500188
Richard Jefferson DAL 7.703622105
Bojan Bogdanovic BKN 7.676922549
Corey Brewer HOU 7.64930171
Darrell Arthur DEN 7.643277997
Jrue Holiday NOP 7.610679085
Josh Smith HOU 7.530952628
Jeff Green MEM 7.495774329
Jerryd Bayless MIL 7.480608029
Jarrett Jack BKN 7.472391131
Pero Antic ATL 7.459087005
Tim Hardaway NYK 7.425544396
Matthew Dellavedova CLE 7.411710632
Marco Belinelli SAS 7.395959218
Kevin Martin MIN 7.381960092
Aaron Brooks CHI 7.343682228
Evan Turner BOS 7.324267733
Kris Humphries WAS 7.279396586
Kyle Singler DET 7.259524604
Meyers Leonard POR 7.255050734
Tiago Splitter SAS 7.240644404
Carl Landry SAC 7.226890803
Beno Udrih MEM 7.212722351
Quincy Pondexter NOP 7.176778275
Aron Baynes SAS 7.159318086
Chris Anderson MIA 7.137995882
Langston Galloway NYK 7.117632659
Spencer Hawes LAC 7.032379388
Nick Collison OKC 7.008327967
Trevor Booker UTA 6.996927599
Henry Sims PHI 6.906195939
Omri Casspi SAC 6.875499594
Lavoy Allen IND 6.845939987
Tyler Hansbrough TOR 6.829567009
Brandon Jennings DET 6.821647184
Shaun Livingston GSW 6.74078173
Rodney Hood UTA 6.668819725
Dwight Howard HOU 6.610425244
Thabo Sefolosha ATL 6.580144856
Shane Larkin NYK 6.574640346
Kirk Hinrich CHI 6.56009811
Gerald Green PHX 6.550606352
Chase Budinger MIN 6.502253476
Ryan Kelly LAL 6.500578621
Tony Parker SAS 6.485109687
Jerami Grant PHI 6.446715873
Damjan Rudez IND 6.422103992
Reggie Jackson OKC 6.416474158
Carlos Boozer LAL 6.317499942
Shawne Williams MIA 6.238552753
Alexis Ajinca NOP 6.205666143
Derrick Rose CHI 6.185864
Jason Smith NYK 6.152849981
J.J. Barea DAL 6.025475965
John Henson MIL 5.97324984
Bismack Biyombo CHO 5.971660943
James Ennis MIA 5.890118941
Kent Bazemore ATL 5.867660961
Chris Kaman POR 5.821604382
Jusuf Nurkic DEN 5.791750097
Jordan Clarkson LAL 5.788389085
Robert Sacre LAL 5.74833942
Jose Calderon NYK 5.735239722
Leandro Barbosa GSW 5.733836714
Derrick Williams SAC 5.706315677
Iman Shumpert CLE 5.658933439
Matt Bonner SAS 5.627765311
Jonas Jerebko DET 5.620143037
Terrence Jones HOU 5.582843742
C.J. McCollum POR 5.539786338
Mirza Teletovic BKN 5.499235604
Patrick Mills SAS 5.471521369
James Jones CLE 5.429250376
Brian Roberts CHO 5.408980423
Nick Young LAL 5.391425227
Timofey Mozgov DEN 5.38265849
Randy Foye DEN 5.336368634
Kevin Garnett BKN 5.335246323
Luke Babbitt NOP 5.247275085
Jeff Green BOS 5.232536525
Mo Williams MIN 5.205237447
Shabazz Muhammad MIN 5.151409501
Pablo Prigioni NYK 5.119345416
Vince Carter MEM 5.103086321
Brandan Wright PHX 5.06379361
David Lee GSW 5.050264409
Dennis Schroeder ATL 4.986129679
Kyle O'Quinn ORL 4.948318629
Glen Davis LAC 4.945848769
Enes Kanter OKC 4.912156387
Drew Gooden WAS 4.835256978
Thaddeus Young BKN 4.807014933
Ian Mahinmi IND 4.778597842
Goran Dragic MIA 4.777774396
Cole Aldrich NYK 4.746540251
Ronnie Price LAL 4.732961285
Hedo Turkoglu LAC 4.66557088
Nik Stauskas SAC 4.664812178
D.J. Augustin DET 4.615586319
Garrett Temple WAS 4.564400035
J.J. Hickson DEN 4.495527406
Shabazz Napier MIA 4.480485209
Allen Crabbe POR 4.437159413
Dion Waiters OKC 4.421976944
Kevin Seraphin WAS 4.421697285
Elijah Millsap UTA 4.356895837
Mike Miller CLE 4.346131039
Charlie Villaneuva DAL 4.340460356
Brandan Wright DAL 4.319437088
Rajon Rondo DAL 4.307602752
Nikola Pekovic MIN 4.301455926
Donald Sloan IND 4.247102577
Enes Kanter UTA 4.2040659
Tarik Black LAL 4.190397224
Reggie Jackson DET 4.187184011
Ray McCallum SAC 4.186424638
Jon Leuer MEM 4.173276024
Shawn Marion CLE 4.17008585
Udonis Haslem MIA 4.058048166
Mo Williams CHO 4.047045284
Arron Afflalo POR 4.040465832
Isaiah Thomas BOS 4.03893433
Dorell Wright POR 4.01094203
Justin Holiday GSW 4.005050824
Jonas Jerebko BOS 4.002682975
Nick Calathes MEM 3.982030926
Dewayne Dedmon ORL 3.981921667
Amar'e Stoudemire NYK 3.977088789
Robbie Hummel MIN 3.911311242
Ricky Rubio MIN 3.890996129
Miles Plumlee PHX 3.883775913
Marcus Thornton BOS 3.826991473
Mike Muscala ATL 3.824357181
Jeremy Lamb OKC 3.821771506
Willie Green ORL 3.678238636
Anderson Varejao CLE 3.645655716
Will Barton DEN 3.636196745
Louis Amundson NYK 3.536092606
Shelvin Mack ATL 3.53064031
Alec Burks UTA 3.528113813
Norris Cole MIA 3.516260148
Andrea Bargnani NYK 3.50050967
Joel Freeland POR 3.462432823
Iman Shumpert NYK 3.450094973
Henry Walker MIA 3.435471187
Michael Carter-Williams PHI 3.401864317
Kostas Papanikolaou HOU 3.336365469
Josh Smith DET 3.288409764
Jason Maxiell CHO 3.278267408
Sergey Karasev BKN 3.25943353
Kobe Bryant LAL 3.195112318
Joey Dorsey HOU 3.117622524
Aaron Gordon ORL 3.065856107
Larry Sanders MIL 3.045775465
Zach LaVine MIN 3.044691482
Norris Cole NOP 3.013899899
Danny Granger MIA 2.958038656
Lance Thomas NYK 2.942489405
Michael Carter-Williams MIL 2.90238785
JaKarr Sampson PHI 2.898044924
K.J. McDaniels PHI 2.864132777
Lance Stephenson CHO 2.85891513
Jameer Nelson DEN 2.828013814
T.J. Warren PHX 2.822062314
Austin Rivers NOP 2.820275559
Dion Waiters CLE 2.805422295
Austin Rivers LAC 2.793608717
Quincy Pondexter MEM 2.791063835
Ramon Sessions WAS 2.74707183
Festus Ezeli GSW 2.714272246
Maurice Harkless ORL 2.688038651
Cory Jefferson BKN 2.656712952
Amar'e Stoudemire DAL 2.65016717
Pablo Prigioni HOU 2.621239142
Tayshaun Prince DET 2.620747529
Anthony Bennett MIN 2.602784984
Kendrick Perkins OKC 2.588218344
P.J. Hairston CHO 2.555535331
Markel Brown BKN 2.550467122
Reggie Evans SAC 2.544134309
Corey Brewer MIN 2.534597478
Jordan Farmar LAC 2.523664036
John Jenkins ATL 2.523126212
Tayshaun Prince MEM 2.521504999
Mitch McGary OKC 2.498864
D.J. Augustin OKC 2.409072782
J.R. Smith NYK 2.331550301
Chris Copeland IND 2.317044045
Tyler Johnson MIA 2.298007975
Joel Anthony DET 2.267201688
Ryan Hollins SAC 2.264869119
Rajon Rondo BOS 2.261568877
Elton Brand ATL 2.234375347
Andre Miller WAS 2.228332985
Alexey Shved NYK 2.222496114
Travis Wear NYK 2.196481701
Jameer Nelson DAL 2.19593337
Joe Harris CLE 2.192801996
Luke Ridnour ORL 2.176683264
Kyle Singler OKC 2.168254526
Cleanthony Early NYK 2.150976503
Gary Neal CHO 2.144282261
E'Twaun Moore CHI 2.143310875
Jabari Parker MIL 2.132240038
Jabari Brown LAL 2.131314358
Jason Richardson PHI 2.112048372
Ben Gordon ORL 2.076585191
Anthony Tolliver PHX 2.052540963
Andrew Nicholson ORL 2.050466252
Alonzo Gee DEN 2.028242832
Isaiah Canaan PHI 1.990745295
Jeremy Evans UTA 1.984555556
Jerome Jordan BKN 1.973662406
Lorenzo Brown MIN 1.967589222
Perry Jones III OKC 1.937150012
Reggie Bullock LAC 1.917892177
James Young BOS 1.889152465
Kendall Marshall MIL 1.883725112
Greg Smith DAL 1.876982746
Samuel Dalembert NYK 1.839539894
Thomas Robinson PHI 1.826722738
Andre Miller SAC 1.785055024
Phil Pressey BOS 1.779438264
Isaiah Canaan HOU 1.761113512
Alexey Shved PHI 1.75519032
Nate Robinson DEN 1.752846645
Chris Johnson UTA 1.661687352
Ramon Sessions SAC 1.636800376
Tarik Black HOU 1.620019431
Michael Beasley MIA 1.600259312
Jimmer Fredette NOP 1.589686271
Josh McRoberts MIA 1.552401977
Jeff Ayres SAS 1.532440037
Jae Crowder DAL 1.532242544
Jeffery Taylor CHO 1.517100384
Luigi Datome BOS 1.507683098
Furkan Aldemir PHI 1.507016997
Gary Neal MIN 1.506061735
Sebastian Telfair OKC 1.46081439
Justin Hamilton MIA 1.448121444
Tony Wroten PHI 1.437408763
Dwight Powell DAL 1.41970827
Lance Thomas OKC 1.411563881
Justin Hamilton MIN 1.404498101
Erick Green DEN 1.37708879
Jeff Withey NOP 1.356517611
Brandon Knight PHX 1.325127315
Gary Harris DEN 1.282429768
Tayshaun Prince BOS 1.192771035
John Salmons NOP 1.170858782
Steve Novak UTA 1.104790986
Archie Goodwin PHX 1.062374086
Chuck Hayes TOR 1.035564519
Brandon Davies PHI 1.034575019
Jordan Adams MEM 1.011627828
Jeff Adrien MIN 1.009007014
Adreian Payne MIN 1.007968595
A.J. Price IND 1.002407496
Kevin Garnett MIN 0.9620911465
John Lucas III DET 0.9416296389
Raymond Felton DAL 0.9326816531
Troy Daniels CHO 0.9080850867
Noah Vonleh CHO 0.9005197361
Thomas Robinson POR 0.8857879317
Doug McDermott CHI 0.854122599
Martell Webster WAS 0.8519717662
Ish Smith PHI 0.8496535905
Chris Johnson MIL 0.8404471852
Bernard James DAL 0.807417611
Spencer Dinwiddie DET 0.8008276587
Austin Daye SAS 0.78045146
Shayne Whittington IND 0.7658684507
Jarnell Stokes MEM 0.7511603894
Javale McGee DEN 0.7441335274
Miles Plumlee MIL 0.7381012951
Will Barton POR 0.7355676423
Ian Clark UTA 0.728012394
Chris Johnson PHI 0.7220538747
Cartier Martin DET 0.7131529734
Kyle Anderson SAS 0.7129267858
James Michael McAdoo GSW 0.6930606666
Francisco Garcia HOU 0.684029068
Bryce Cotton UTA 0.6653276562
Landry Fields TOR 0.6452987343
Jordan Hamilton LAC 0.6154869636
Troy Daniels MIN 0.6046063484
Jannero Pargo CHO 0.600075497
Reggie Williams SAS 0.5949547189
Jorge Gutierrez MIL 0.5904066558
JaMychal Green MEM 0.5901233115
Devyn Marble ORL 0.5853603714
Joffrey Lauvergne DEN 0.5803703539
Earl Barron PHX 0.5756325396
Troy Daniels HOU 0.5749674348
Darius Morris BKN 0.5502714943
Shawne Williams DET 0.5383166156
Malcolm Thomas PHI 0.518649384
Ekpe Udoh LAC 0.5126025015
Victor Claver POR 0.4903791328
Toney Douglas NOP 0.4798815185
Arinze Onuaku MIN 0.4690103638
Ognjen Kuzmic GSW 0.4675152433
Steve Novak OKC 0.4544364522
Nate Robinson LAC 0.4115473175
Austin Daye ATL 0.4074928287
Sean Kilpatrick MIN 0.4066648324
C.J. Wilcox LAC 0.4056003572
Nick Johnson HOU 0.4020773897
Johnny O'Bryant MIL 0.3998865256
Gerald Wallace BOS 0.3975024371
Brandan Wright BOS 0.3789847635
Dahntay Jones LAC 0.3616011146
Jared Cunningham LAC 0.358745173
Kenyon Martin MIL 0.3550603996
Dwight Buycks LAL 0.3507212083
Ricky Ledo NYK 0.3326799541
Jack Cooley UTA 0.330065678
Tim Frazier POR 0.3204937648
Elliott Williams UTA 0.3120885783
Elliot Williams NOP 0.3032732584
Nazr Mohammad CHI 0.2990223881
Chris Douglas-Roberts LAC 0.2957697683
Earl Clark BKN 0.2795621757
DeJuan Blair WAS 0.2625298667
Alonzo Gee POR 0.2605208838
Russ Smith MEM 0.2580495584
Lester Hudson LAC 0.2569736109
Louis Amundson CLE 0.256649203
Ish Smith OKC 0.2439916078
Paul George IND 0.2389398654
Brendan Haywood CLE 0.2360720568
Alexey Shved HOU 0.22956766
Glenn Robinson MIN 0.2268536856
Kendrick Perkins CLE 0.221982054
Glenn Robinson PHI 0.217345561
Xavier Henry LAL 0.2172410927
Nate Wolters MIL 0.2164113972
Greg Stiemsma TOR 0.2043164608
Will Cherry CLE 0.1632675927
Quincy Miller DET 0.1603660849
Quincy Miller SAC 0.1601133954
Shavlik Randolph PHX 0.1588587707
Zoran Dragic MIA 0.1558305696
Shannon Brown MIA 0.151932355
Jorge Gutierrez BKN 0.1414751477
Ian Clark DEN 0.1285013454
Tyler Ennis PHX 0.1261518344
Tyrus Thomas MEM 0.1127876863
Clint Capela HOU 0.1111093345
Tim Frazier PHI 0.1087032078
Grant Jerrett UTA 0.09401496548
Cameron Bairstow CHI 0.0922104
Jameer Nelson BOS 0.0768946398
JaMychal Green SAS 0.07317236479
Jamaal Franklin DEN 0.07276318841
Alex Kirk CLE 0.0584415664
Andre Dawkins MIA 0.05812663014
Javale McGee PHI 0.05548004836
David Stockton SAC 0.05275359897
Drew Gordon PHI 0.04875533301
Miroslav Raduljica MIN 0.04706286721
Luigi Datome DET 0.04184966331
Eric Moreland SAC 0.0353775813
Ronny Turiaf MIN 0.03372628726
Glen Rice WAS 0.0306516426
Shavlik Randolph BOS 0.02938572629
Sim Bhullar SAC 0.0287645935
Dwight Powell BOS 0.0223543913
K.J. McDaniels HOU 0.01133745953
Zoran Dragic PHX 0.01009575274
Brandon Davies BKN 0.008379098727
David Wear SAC 0.0009825880759
Vander Blue LAL -0.001339145517
Tyler Ennis MIL -0.005669442382
Jerrelle Benimon UTA -0.009344918699
A.J. Price CLE -0.01507086411
Toure' Murray WAS -0.01634691952
Lucas Nogueira TOR -0.02225401881
Kalin Lucas MEM -0.02424227642
Malcolm Lee PHI -0.02569214092
Andrei Kirilenko BKN -0.02743858862
Toure' Murry UTA -0.02876294038
Brandon Rush GSW -0.03114701481
Adreian Payne ATL -0.03565659512
Larry Drew PHI -0.04454542439
Will Bynum WAS -0.05319195235
Seth Curry PHX -0.05538401084
Darius Miller NOP -0.05567533875
Julius Randle LAL -0.05756404336
Bruno Caboclo TOR -0.06092125604
Jerel McNeal PHX -0.06298184899
Nate Wolters NOP -0.08430589281
Patrick Christopher UTA -0.0981002168
A.J. Price PHX -0.1118726287
Grant Jerrett OKC -0.1290944776
Marcus Thornton PHX -0.1313926244
Gal Mekel NOP -0.1339646554
Ricky Ledo DAL -0.1712623767
Russ Smith NOP -0.206351983
Reggie Bullock PHX -0.2667040444
Some observations
- Very high ratings compared to conventional wisdom for outside shot-driven players like Korver, Redick, Matthews, Ariza, Green, Carroll, Barnes, etc. Although he fell off from MVP caliber rating last year Love still rates as elite PF. Wall, Westbrook, Wade type of players are among the biggest losers compared to conventional wisdom
- The Kings rated as having a star and 3 other quality starters with Cousins, Collison, McLemore, Gay having 16th, 46nd, 51st, 71st highest per 82 games rates respectively so if they get stable coaching and health next year could be a candidate to finally be good. Then again Gay and Collison are regression candidates next year
Re: VEDS (14-15 ratings: DRPM variant)
Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 4:51 pm
by AcrossTheCourt
I didn't see assists anywhere. That's a pretty important part of individual metrics.
And as I think I've said before, you shouldn't use a linear term for spacing. It's non-linear. A 23 foot shot has more than twice the amount of spacing as a 11.5 foot shot.
Re: VEDS (14-15 ratings: DRPM variant)
Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:33 pm
by Dr Positivity
Assists and turnovers are a part of individual ORTG
With the "22 ft is more than 2x as valuable as 11 ft" linearity problem it helps that 3pt shots are twice as likely to be assisted as midrange jumpers. Kyle Korver taking a 22 ft shot that's assisted is worth more than 2x than Derozan taking a 11 ft shot that's unassisted.
Re: VEDS (14-15 ratings: DRPM variant)
Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:37 pm
by ampersand5
I don't mean to sound critical, but I'm a bit lost.
Stats need to have a conceptual purpose of what they are trying to display/accomplish. I have no idea what the final number (VEDS) is trying to tell me (I'm not saying it doesn't have a purpose, I just have no idea what it is).
I like to view stats in the form of an inductive argument. The premises (in this case, the components of your formula) have to add up and support the conclusion. Do the inputs make a convincing conceptual case for the end result?
Some other notes:
- I don't know where your coefficients come from, so I can't say much on that
- I'm not sure how you can use average distance of a shot. If James Harden is taking only layups and 3 pointers, the average might show him to be a midrange shooter.
- DRPM already takes into account offensive play to some extent. What a player/team does on the offensive end has a non-trivial impact on the amount of points scored against them (which is going to be part of the DRPM)
Re: VEDS (14-15 ratings: DRPM variant)
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 1:49 am
by Dr Positivity
ampersand5 wrote:I don't mean to sound critical, but I'm a bit lost.
Stats need to have a conceptual purpose of what they are trying to display/accomplish. I have no idea what the final number (VEDS) is trying to tell me (I'm not saying it doesn't have a purpose, I just have no idea what it is).
The goal is the same as WAR in baseball or stats such as PER and WS, evaluating a player in one number but in a way more boxscore influenced than APM. The longform of the title Volume, Efficiency, Defense, Spacing indicates splitting a player's impact into those 4 categories. The hypothesis is it's better than the following stats because:
PER - Likely overvalues volume of possessions used/shots attempted vs efficiency. Floor spacing represented very little, defense only if it shows up in Drb, blk, stl
WS - Likely influenced too much by team results. Questionable way to measure defense (Drb, blk, stl distribution on the good defensive teams) and little floor spacing influence
WP - Likely does not value volume of possessions enough vs efficiency. Little value for floor spacing or defense, "stealing rebounds from teammates" screws it up
VEDS in comparison has
- Values a player for both his volume and efficiency. Takes volume into account more than a stat like WP, but isn't as volume-centric as PER. Yes this is based off a hypothesis that a balanced evaluation of the value of volume shooting and efficiency is more desirable than an extreme perspective like WP or PER
- A semi-reliable way to quantify when a player is a spot up outside shooter/floor spacer
- Using DRAPM or DRPM for defense which while not perfect, is probably the best we can do right now and better than just going with the guys with the highest boxscore numbers on D
Whether doing this leads to a better stat will have to be proven by testing, when judging teams moves this summer or predicting next year
- I'm not sure how you can use average distance of a shot. If James Harden is taking only layups and 3 pointers, the average might show him to be a midrange shooter.
The Spacing category gives players like Harden the most credit when he is playing off the ball and taking spot-up 3s. This gives him both a high distance shot and an assisted one which is the two parts of the category. If he takes a 3pt shot but does it creating one-on-one off the dribble he still increases value for the distance, but because it's unassisted, this is less valued than one where he spotted up off the ball. This is by design because I intended the Spacing category to most value the off ball shooters who draw gravity of the defense towards them while a teammates has the ball (a la Korver, Redick, Love). Love standing at the 3pt line without the ball opens up space for Lebron and Kyrie to finish in the paint. When Harden takes a 3 off the dribble the effect is not the same - his teammates don't have the ball, thus they don't have a (+spacing) efficiency play to make
Yes this does not account for the extra space a ball dominant star like Harden creates by drawing multiple defenders while he has the ball, and allowing him to pass to an open teammate. However the goal is just to count this in a different category. The reason why using a high volume of possessions (the Volume category) is included is because the assumption higher volume players draw the attention of the defense which makes their teammates more open. So in the case of Harden he gets a lot of credit for "creating space" for his teammates. It's just counted as being an ultra-high volume player in the Volume category, not as being an off ball floor spacer in the Spacing category
In the case of Harden in your example if despite his high 3PA, if to get so many layups at the rim he needs to dominate the ball, should he not be given less credit for spacing the floor than J.J. Redick standing at the 3pt line drawing defenders away from the rest of the action?
- DRPM already takes into account offensive play to some extent. What a player/team does on the offensive end has a non-trivial impact on the amount of points scored against them (which is going to be part of the DRPM)
Well the offensive impact include in DRPM, is divided by 4 (because Defense is 1/4 of the categories in VEDS) which reduces its impact. Secondly DRPM appears to be far from perfect in a lot of ways and is just the best or second best among more flawed options, so one more reason to be concerned about its inaccuracy, isn't that bothersome. Especially if "this player's impact on offense effects his defensive numbers" may very well just push his overall rating towards a more accurate rep of his impact. If a player is making his team better on defense by being good on offense, is there anything wrong with still just crediting him with making his team's defense better?
Re: VEDS (14-15 ratings: DRPM variant)
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:48 pm
by Dr Positivity
Updated VEDS (per 82 games) with post playoffs DRPM
Code: Select all
Player Team Position VEDS
Anthony Davis NOP PF 34.29975158
Stephen Curry GSW PG 29.81961116
Kevin Durant OKC SF 29.34143418
Jimmy Butler CHI SF 27.1961713
James Harden HOU SG 27.18093884
Kyle Korver ATL SF 27.09618349
Lebron James CLE SF 26.66879806
J.J. Redick LAC SG 25.13423705
Chris Paul LAC PG 25.09411
Wesley Matthews POR SG 24.98666685
Draymond Green GSW PF 24.68249046
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 24.41913329
Kevin Love CLE PF 24.2075206
Serge Ibaka OKC PF 23.55937405
Trevor Ariza HOU SF 23.48726712
DeMarcus Cousins SAC C 23.37084209
Blake Griffin LAC PF 23.24668049
Russell Westbrook OKC PG 22.33892629
Klay Thompson GSW SG 22.05187821
Khris Middleton MIL SF 21.81800685
Kyrie Irving CLE PG 21.52709137
Gordon Hayward UTA SF 21.40593898
Danny Green SAS SF 21.25975695
Pau Gasol CHI PF 21.17819471
Tim Duncan SAS PF 20.94272539
Marc Gasol MEM C 20.77408162
Mike Dunleavy CHI SF 20.76985404
Lamarcus Aldridge POR PF 20.64598444
Al Horford ATL C 20.49531866
Kyle Lowry TOR PG 20.33107317
Damian Lillard POR PG 20.20328749
Paul Millsap ATL PF 20.07280884
Tyson Chandler DAL PF 19.93816238
J.R. Smith CLE SG 19.71140273
Chris Bosh MIA PF 19.57801413
Derrick Favors UTA PF 19.40107349
DeMarre Carroll ATL SF 18.94477591
Matt Barnes LAC SF 18.84725068
Chandler Parsons DAL SF 18.75873523
Deandre Jordan LAC C 18.58834551
Anthony Morrow OKC SG 18.51538098
Dirk Nowitzki DAL PF 18.32949879
Eric Bledsoe PHX PG 18.10680645
John Wall WAS PG 17.9737169
Zach Randolph MEM PF 17.90328048
Darren Collison SAC PG 17.90300948
Markieff Morris PHX PF 17.68264423
Nikola Vucevic ORL C 17.5528709
George Hill IND PG 17.27935605
Ben McLemore SAC SG 17.26848133
Marcin Gortat WAS C 17.15142531
Greg Monroe DET PF 17.07742705
Luol Deng MIA SF 16.99873171
Paul Pierce WAS SF 16.79650009
Brook Lopez BKN C 16.76440545
Harrison Barnes GSW SF 16.63384482
Nicolas Batum POR SF 16.62498878
C.J. Miles IND SF 16.50764076
Jeff Teague ATL PG 16.50403752
Jared Dudley MIL SF 16.48604618
Bradley Beal WAS SG 16.44708591
Danilo Gallinari DEN SF 16.17686611
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO SF 16.13534676
Avery Bradley BOS SG 16.00559312
DeMar Derozan TOR SG 15.9216938
Isaiah Thomas BOS PG 15.84691024
Carmelo Anthony NYK PF 15.82335039
Kevin Garnett MIN C 15.8027948
Robert Covington PHI PF 15.73002993
Rudy Gay SAC SF 15.63805844
Mike Conley MEM PG 15.6294684
Jrue Holiday NOP PG 15.62905879
Enes Kanter OKC C 15.49218553
Marvin Williams CHO PF 15.48463251
Kevin Martin MIN SG 15.4792943
Timofey Mozgov CLE C 15.46132291
Patrick Beverley HOU PG 15.37118665
Anthony Tolliver DET PF 15.16051273
Goran Dragic MIA PG 15.0973654
Rudy Gobert UTA C 15.01121621
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 14.97867413
David West IND PF 14.54066445
Patrick Patterson TOR PF 14.50442325
Ricky Rubio MIN PG 14.48967875
Robin Lopez POR C 14.42056271
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope DET SG 14.40335486
Courtney Lee MEM SG 14.39710193
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 14.37926515
Arron Afflalo DEN SG 14.29854691
P.J. Tucker PHX SF 14.26586619
Louis Williams TOR SG 14.25981301
Goran Dragic PHX PG 14.24189508
Tobias Harris ORL PF 14.20948523
Channing Frye ORL C 14.14470017
Nikola Mirotic CHI PF 14.08351981
Jeff Green MEM SF 14.03646655
Eric Gordon NOP SG 13.98030963
Terrence Jones HOU PF 13.96218748
Donatas Motiejunas HOU PF 13.91596471
Thaddeus Young MIN PF 13.91076129
Dwight Howard HOU C 13.90376715
Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL SF 13.8657848
Ty Lawson DEN PG 13.83371028
Jason Terry HOU SG 13.78332108
Thaddeus Young BKN PF 13.78168659
Jared Sullinger BOS PF 13.75883266
Gorgui Dieng MIN C 13.73451105
Joakim Noah CHI C 13.71373221
Alan Anderson BKN SF 13.70529126
Isaiah Thomas PHX PG 13.70234656
Brandon Jennings DET PG 13.64329437
Cody Zeller CHO C 13.59493097
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 13.56917623
Wesley Johnson LAL SF 13.55406953
Tony Allen MEM SG 13.53245609
Marcus Smart BOS PG 13.49928445
Gerald Henderson CHO SF 13.41991011
Jeff Green BOS SF 13.41581046
Monta Ellis DAL SG 13.41168314
Andrew Bogut GSW C 13.33867112
Timofey Mozgov DEN C 13.26146656
Joe Johnson BKN SF 13.2369376
Wilson Chandler DEN SF 13.17085968
Brandan Wright DAL PF 13.08712375
Quincy Pondexter NOP SF 13.06610152
Tyler Zeller BOS C 13.04995375
Arron Afflalo POR SG 12.97681126
Langston Galloway NYK PG 12.9699084
Brandon Knight MIL PG 12.89599482
Jodie Meeks DET SG 12.87459465
Kelly Olynyk BOS PF 12.87198843
Amir Johnson TOR PF 12.81953015
Andre Drummond DET C 12.81797864
Wayne Ellington LAL SG 12.78547066
Reggie Jackson DET PG 12.73004959
Kenneth Faried DEN PF 12.67198423
Deron Williams BKN PG 12.61362773
Al Jefferson CHO C 12.52962971
Iman Shumpert CLE SF 12.48363269
Zaza Pachulia MIL C 12.45801365
C.J. Watson IND PG 12.3853632
Taj Gibson CHI PF 12.3487756
Mo Williams CHO PG 12.32952642
Manu Ginobili SAS SG 12.2954167
Luc Mbah a Moute PHI PF 12.2783994
Nene Hilario WAS PF 12.25797496
Nerlens Noel PHI PF 12.19847202
Jae Crowder BOS SF 12.13383187
Tyreke Evans NOP SG 12.12327094
Iman Shumpert NYK SG 12.08032449
Ryan Anderson NOP PF 12.01687952
Caron Butler DET SF 11.9429766
Brandon Bass BOS PF 11.92992571
Mario Chalmers MIA PG 11.84218281
Roy Hibbert IND C 11.83413716
Henry Walker MIA SG 11.73785989
Andrew Wiggins MIN SF 11.69667164
Dante Cunningham NOP PF 11.64278337
Kemba Walker CHO PG 11.61073411
Shawne Williams MIA SF 11.60014377
Anderson Varejao CLE C 11.59992059
Hollis Thompson PHI SF 11.58807955
Ersan Ilyasova MIL PF 11.53023395
Tiago Splitter SAS C 11.44268925
Alexey Shved NYK SG 11.40129258
Nikola Pekovic MIN C 11.38900304
Dwyane Wade MIA SG 11.38299929
Chris Johnson UTA SF 11.35486357
Jonas Jerebko BOS PF 11.34068117
Evan Fournier ORL SG 11.27576661
Mirza Teletovic BKN PF 11.24555799
Gary Neal MIN SG 11.23692233
Rasual Butler WAS SG 11.22747086
Josh Smith HOU PF 11.20671574
Rodney Stuckey IND SG 11.18447667
Jose Calderon NYK PG 11.17220612
Tristan Thompson CLE PF 11.1515188
Shabazz Muhammad MIN SF 11.13519945
O.J. Mayo MIL SG 11.13352187
Marcus Morris PHX PF 11.08566247
Victor Oladipo ORL SG 11.03003661
Kyle Singler DET SF 10.99397255
Rodney Hood UTA SF 10.93686435
Tayshaun Prince BOS SF 10.8766361
Meyers Leonard POR C 10.86795443
Omer Asik NOP C 10.807106
Darrell Arthur DEN PF 10.79184705
Corey Brewer HOU SF 10.76151322
Alec Burks UTA SG 10.70113732
Jeremy Lin LAL PG 10.67388396
Will Barton DEN SF 10.64886189
Al-Farouq Aminu DAL PF 10.54892181
Nick Young LAL SF 10.54594925
Reggie Jackson OKC PG 10.53468429
Mo Williams MIN PG 10.44547489
Kevin Garnett BKN C 10.4418083
Thabo Sefolosha ATL SF 10.36071561
Derrick Rose CHI PG 10.34589898
Brandan Wright PHX PF 10.34494357
Boris Diaw SAS PF 10.31861767
Ryan Kelly LAL PF 10.25091244
Devin Harris DAL PG 10.20570277
Marco Belinelli SAS SF 10.08975251
James Johnson TOR SF 10.07905844
Andre Roberson OKC SF 10.07461331
Jonas Jerebko DET SF 10.03764085
Steven Adams OKC C 10.00867973
Ed Davis LAL PF 9.981037636
Jamal Crawford LAC SG 9.980793111
Andrea Bargnani NYK PF 9.920576195
Pero Antic ATL C 9.914902928
Brandon Knight PHX PG 9.904471803
Kris Humphries WAS PF 9.851726875
Pablo Prigioni NYK PG 9.831847654
Chris Anderson MIA C 9.763136039
Tony Snell CHI SF 9.699644945
Alex Len PHX C 9.683808019
Luis Scola IND PF 9.681564638
Greivis Vasquez TOR PG 9.618320254
Josh Smith DET PF 9.603676213
Matthew Dellavedova CLE PG 9.560298833
Michael Carter-Williams MIL PG 9.45670715
Amar'e Stoudemire DAL PF 9.434672084
Quincy Acy NYK PF 9.392907096
Tayshaun Prince DET SF 9.353868001
Mike Scott ATL PF 9.276839693
Terrence Ross TOR SF 9.266294414
Larry Sanders MIL C 9.250132895
Jabari Brown LAL SG 9.210762403
Cory Joseph SAS PG 9.201955373
Trey Burke UTA PG 9.196525812
Jason Richardson PHI SF 9.133406132
Joe Ingles UTA SF 9.100973246
Jordan Hill LAL PF 9.096578095
Amar'e Stoudemire NYK PF 9.038924464
Ronnie Price LAL PG 9.035147101
Pablo Prigioni HOU PG 9.018900403
Tarik Black LAL PG 8.989686116
Lavoy Allen IND PF 8.889338555
Norris Cole NOP PG 8.806087799
Solomon Hill IND SF 8.792465708
Patrick Mills SAS PG 8.78426475
Otto Porter WAS SF 8.766591044
Randy Foye DEN SG 8.75164456
Nick Collison OKC C 8.728191565
Tim Hardaway NYK SG 8.678494864
Dante Exum UTA PG 8.666308612
Jason Thompson SAC PF 8.662342217
John Jenkins ATL SG 8.651681224
Mareese Speights GSW PF 8.617030812
Chris Johnson MIL SF 8.614583648
Steve Blake POR PG 8.524978826
Aron Baynes SAS C 8.493296425
David Lee GSW PF 8.489796222
Alexey Shved PHI SG 8.473212133
Richard Jefferson DAL SF 8.452446116
Carl Landry SAC PF 8.437453036
Omri Casspi SAC SF 8.397207214
Ramon Sessions WAS PG 8.369996072
Sean Kilpatrick MIN PF 8.336629065
Rajon Rondo BOS PG 8.283733997
Elfrid Payton ORL PG 8.222631422
A.J. Price IND PG 8.219741469
Corey Brewer MIN SF 8.164624716
Jerami Grant PHI PF 8.141613357
Jarrett Jack BKN PG 8.114200909
Sergey Karasev BKN SF 8.106198468
J.R. Smith NYK SG 8.095130194
Danny Granger MIA SF 8.085305659
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 8.044879745
Marcus Thornton BOS SG 8.039661559
Spencer Hawes LAC C 8.008760066
Tayshaun Prince MEM SF 7.962522178
Chase Budinger MIN SF 7.949981867
Kyle O'Quinn ORL C 7.949370148
Bojan Bogdanovic BKN SF 7.921860885
Mason Plumlee BKN PF 7.815145703
Jameer Nelson DAL PG 7.807813175
Tony Parker SAS PG 7.796362662
James Ennis MIA SF 7.783073975
Drew Gooden WAS PF 7.767293082
Henry Sims PHI C 7.757644754
Damjan Rudez IND SF 7.737885206
Jusuf Nurkic DEN C 7.70455658
Kostas Koufos MEM C 7.703914077
Jerryd Bayless MIL PG 7.687611797
Mike Muscala ATL C 7.682432222
Dion Waiters OKC SG 7.651813497
Bismack Biyombo CHO C 7.64310725
James Jones CLE SF 7.62525054
Quincy Pondexter MEM SF 7.621407815
Kirk Hinrich CHI PG 7.601424924
Elijah Millsap UTA SG 7.593184404
Tyler Hansbrough TOR PF 7.567898578
Rajon Rondo DAL PG 7.547228456
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 7.517296178
Alexis Ajinca NOP C 7.48917829
Sebastian Telfair OKC PG 7.486673751
Josh McRoberts MIA PF 7.480806593
Kobe Bryant LAL SG 7.442566717
Isaiah Canaan PHI PG 7.360425646
C.J. McCollum POR SG 7.339897522
John Henson MIL PF 7.31816958
Evan Turner BOS SF 7.312767733
Trevor Booker UTA PF 7.279133711
Carlos Boozer LAL PF 7.276434205
Garrett Temple WAS PG 7.203582747
Shabazz Napier MIA PG 7.179167396
Robbie Hummel MIN SF 7.141028263
Allen Crabbe POR SG 7.128672978
Shane Larkin NYK PG 7.073274232
Beno Udrih MEM PG 7.0692482
Louis Amundson NYK PF 7.063476878
D.J. Augustin OKC PG 7.05514172
Gerald Green PHX SG 7.039405012
Enes Kanter UTA C 7.035375587
Robert Sacre LAL C 7.035281082
Anthony Tolliver PHX PF 7.022264957
Leandro Barbosa GSW SG 7.018316068
D.J. Augustin DET PG 7.008853299
Aaron Brooks CHI PG 6.998682228
Jabari Parker MIL SF 6.981455658
Dion Waiters CLE SG 6.921466006
Luigi Datome BOS PF 6.868334111
Dorell Wright POR SF 6.846900968
Luke Babbitt NOP SF 6.840786618
Kyle Singler OKC SF 6.816466198
Thomas Robinson PHI PF 6.80869384
Jameer Nelson DEN PG 6.803337239
Justin Hamilton MIN C 6.771525398
Troy Daniels CHO PG 6.753986555
Michael Carter-Williams PHI PG 6.733103633
Mike Miller CLE SF 6.72413933
Jeremy Lamb OKC SG 6.673396563
Chris Johnson PHI SF 6.57871308
Donald Sloan IND PG 6.544863893
Kostas Papanikolaou HOU SF 6.493413027
Chris Kaman POR C 6.458842017
J.J. Barea DAL PG 6.438865638
Matt Bonner SAS C 6.425649382
Ian Mahinmi IND PF 6.415855569
Arinze Onuaku MIN C 6.409808305
Mitch McGary OKC C 6.403339001
Hedo Turkoglu LAC SF 6.384343744
Cole Aldrich NYK C 6.373928425
Austin Rivers NOP SG 6.340461071
Reggie Bullock LAC SF 6.325686342
Derrick Williams SAC PF 6.31496467
Vince Carter MEM SF 6.243948157
Brian Roberts CHO PG 6.144811037
Jason Smith NYK C 6.125599981
Norris Cole MIA PG 6.114418414
Kent Bazemore ATL SG 6.112934317
Jannero Pargo CHO PG 6.071479528
Lance Thomas NYK C 6.021269946
Joel Freeland POR C 5.909614406
Tyler Johnson MIA PG 5.888645437
Shawn Marion CLE SF 5.878445871
Nick Calathes MEM PG 5.839767861
T.J. Warren PHX PF 5.785227744
Willie Green ORL SG 5.785049387
Miles Plumlee PHX C 5.765835646
Jordan Farmar LAC PG 5.748345859
Isaiah Canaan HOU PG 5.72095232
Charlie Villaneuva DAL PF 5.627464831
Justin Holiday GSW PG 5.566341823
Lorenzo Brown MIN PG 5.563528145
Dewayne Dedmon ORL PG 5.528237882
Kendall Marshall MIL PG 5.516623544
Jon Leuer MEM PF 5.513758079
Michael Beasley MIA PF 5.467552649
Shelvin Mack ATL PG 5.408572069
Nate Robinson DEN PG 5.371933331
Austin Rivers LAC SG 5.3540091
Udonis Haslem MIA PF 5.347095961
Aaron Gordon ORL PF 5.334773775
Tarik Black HOU PF 5.274413732
Lance Thomas OKC C 5.261283556
Tim Frazier POR PG 5.256097743
Nik Stauskas SAC SG 5.220676008
Elton Brand ATL PF 5.196285513
Elliott Williams UTA SF 5.118252684
Glen Davis LAC PF 5.109451789
Ray McCallum SAC PG 5.065918926
J.J. Hickson DEN C 5.065853844
Jae Crowder DAL SF 5.030172211
James Young BOS SF 4.992654638
Justin Hamilton MIA C 4.932748267
Maurice Harkless ORL SF 4.904453764
Jeff Adrien MIN C 4.866975009
Dwight Powell DAL PF 4.858586588
Festus Ezeli GSW C 4.856818642
Jorge Gutierrez MIL PG 4.841334577
Andre Miller SAC PG 4.8360254
Dwight Buycks LAL PG 4.78464818
Dennis Schroeder ATL PG 4.759946001
Nate Robinson LAC PG 4.758820004
Samuel Dalembert NYK C 4.713820978
P.J. Hairston CHO SG 4.64400327
Kevin Seraphin WAS PF 4.641609841
Tyrus Thomas MEM PF 4.62429514
John Salmons NOP SF 4.571924768
Cleanthony Early NYK SF 4.515649314
K.J. McDaniels PHI SF 4.510100404
Markel Brown BKN SG 4.505084483
Reggie Evans SAC PF 4.418327411
Jason Maxiell CHO PF 4.40085127
Lester Hudson LAC PG 4.373033886
Cory Jefferson BKN PF 4.352592574
Jeremy Evans UTA PF 4.279545322
Jeffery Taylor CHO SF 4.277398787
Alonzo Gee DEN SF 4.253593904
Brandon Davies PHI PF 4.241757579
Andrew Nicholson ORL PF 4.208580816
Austin Daye ATL SF 4.176801494
Bernard James DAL C 4.138015257
Steve Novak UTA PF 4.117857311
Gary Neal CHO SG 4.098138071
Ryan Hollins SAC C 4.037375386
Kendrick Perkins OKC C 4.033449101
Ramon Sessions SAC PG 4.02493419
Victor Claver POR PF 4.021108889
Francisco Garcia HOU SF 4.006455969
Tony Wroten PHI SG 3.928917285
Brandan Wright BOS PF 3.866593826
Lance Stephenson CHO SG 3.843131814
James Michael McAdoo GSW PF 3.819064977
Luke Ridnour ORL PG 3.803659276
Joel Anthony DET C 3.790634288
Chris Copeland IND SF 3.786118901
Anthony Bennett MIN PF 3.757440679
Joey Dorsey HOU C 3.715334014
Perry Jones III OKC PF 3.694100023
John Lucas III DET PG 3.676839543
Greg Smith DAL C 3.668168694
Jerome Jordan BKN PF 3.663689029
Bryce Cotton UTA PG 3.628291187
Jordan Hamilton LAC SF 3.604995072
Javale McGee DEN C 3.589349956
Andre Miller WAS PG 3.556976564
Russ Smith MEM PG 3.536677299
Travis Wear NYK PG 3.531598029
Joe Harris CLE SG 3.513556641
Quincy Miller DET SF 3.281463074
Toney Douglas NOP PG 3.279190377
Paul George IND SF 3.265511494
Zach LaVine MIN SG 3.252690387
E'Twaun Moore CHI PG 3.239669496
Jarnell Stokes MEM PF 3.233600101
JaKarr Sampson PHI SF 3.211347078
Shayne Whittington IND PF 3.140060648
Miles Plumlee MIL C 3.1153648
Elliot Williams NOP SF 3.108550899
Ben Gordon ORL SG 3.040714029
Furkan Aldemir PHI C 3.019533994
Jeff Withey NOP C 3.01216966
Devyn Marble ORL SG 3.00538857
Earl Barron PHX C 2.950116765
Noah Vonleh CHO PF 2.949371401
Chuck Hayes TOR C 2.920814616
Phil Pressey BOS PG 2.908278754
Steve Novak OKC PF 2.866445314
Adreian Payne MIN PF 2.82945143
Jordan Adams MEM SG 2.823907729
Ish Smith PHI PG 2.786863777
Troy Daniels HOU PG 2.765372332
Kenyon Martin MIL PF 2.646813888
Raymond Felton DAL PG 2.637237778
Erick Green DEN PG 2.622117965
Jimmer Fredette NOP SG 2.611335484
Troy Daniels MIN PG 2.599228714
Ian Clark UTA SG 2.598439115
Grant Jerrett UTA PF 2.56249239
Cartier Martin DET PG 2.542545384
Malcolm Thomas PHI C 2.501720558
Shannon Brown MIA PG 2.491690622
JaMychal Green MEM PF 2.469088911
Austin Daye SAS SF 2.461423835
Jeff Ayres SAS C 2.451423197
Reggie Williams SAS SF 2.439314347
Nate Wolters MIL PG 2.397998597
Ognjen Kuzmic GSW C 2.390390622
Shawne Williams DET SF 2.312511183
Earl Clark BKN PF 2.292409841
Ricky Ledo NYK SF 2.27331302
Thomas Robinson POR PF 2.269831575
Quincy Miller SAC SF 2.183966404
Martell Webster WAS SG 2.174010984
Archie Goodwin PHX SG 2.130164838
Alexey Shved HOU PG 2.094366458
Doug McDermott CHI SF 2.086418142
Landry Fields TOR SF 2.031714598
Chris Douglas-Roberts LAC SF 2.021093417
Will Barton POR SF 2.010551556
Jamaal Franklin DEN SG 1.987068816
Joffrey Lauvergne DEN PF 1.982932043
Xavier Henry LAL SF 1.979307733
Spencer Dinwiddie DET PG 1.931407883
Gary Harris DEN SG 1.895611199
Glenn Robinson PHI SF 1.7822336
Kyle Anderson SAS SF 1.758015043
Louis Amundson CLE PF 1.751019554
Jack Cooley UTA C 1.6870866
Will Cherry CLE PG 1.673492825
C.J. Wilcox LAC SG 1.587772823
Jared Cunningham LAC PG 1.548268642
JaMychal Green SAS PF 1.544658478
Ian Clark DEN SG 1.507134807
Tim Frazier PHI PG 1.485610507
David Stockton SAC PG 1.441931705
Andre Dawkins MIA PG 1.418470918
Alonzo Gee POR SF 1.415764165
Ronny Turiaf MIN PF 1.382777778
Ekpe Udoh LAC C 1.301364549
Zoran Dragic MIA PG 1.275227337
Tyler Ennis PHX PG 1.235264636
Nick Johnson HOU SG 1.212762356
Darius Morris BKN PG 1.187427961
Nazr Mohammad CHI C 1.175746485
Jorge Gutierrez BKN PG 1.160096211
Luigi Datome DET PF 1.143890797
Jameer Nelson BOS PG 1.034060077
Gerald Wallace BOS SF 1.018599995
Kendrick Perkins CLE C 1.005403633
Greg Stiemsma TOR C 0.985526458
Eric Moreland SAC PF 0.9669872222
Alex Kirk CLE C 0.9584416889
Glen Rice WAS SF 0.9506036053
Dahntay Jones LAC SF 0.9355239816
Brendan Haywood CLE C 0.8731549391
Johnny O'Bryant MIL PF 0.8294322087
Shavlik Randolph PHX PF 0.8141512
Sim Bhullar SAC C 0.7858155556
Clint Capela HOU PF 0.7811221188
Miroslav Raduljica MIN C 0.7718310222
Javale McGee PHI C 0.7582273275
Glenn Robinson MIN SF 0.7440800889
DeJuan Blair WAS PF 0.7397424966
Ish Smith OKC PG 0.6669103947
Shavlik Randolph BOS PF 0.4819259111
Drew Gordon PHI PF 0.4442152563
Cameron Bairstow CHI PF 0.4155696
Dwight Powell BOS PF 0.3681120174
Zoran Dragic PHX SF 0.1370586208
Brandon Davies BKN PF 0.09815515652
K.J. McDaniels HOU SF 0.09159216812
David Wear SAC C 0.04028611111
Brandon Rush GSW SF -0.04664561256
Nate Wolters NOP PG -0.05255832101
Vander Blue LAL SG -0.05490496618
Larry Drew PHI PG -0.07564373333
A.J. Price CLE PG -0.1123464415
Tyler Ennis MIL PG -0.130220771
Lucas Nogueira TOR PF -0.3057215903
Andrei Kirilenko BKN SF -0.3214234667
Toure' Murray WAS PG -0.3351118502
Jerrelle Benimon UTA PF -0.3831416667
Will Bynum WAS PG -0.6231057275
Bruno Caboclo TOR SF -0.6256512077
Jerel McNeal PHX PG -0.8632519362
Darius Miller NOP SG -0.9130755556
Adreian Payne ATL PF -0.9798636
Marcus Thornton PHX SG -1.2008828
A.J. Price PHX PG -1.834711111
Reggie Bullock PHX SF -1.965490756
Kalin Lucas MEM PF -1.987866667
Patrick Christopher UTA PG -2.011054444
Grant Jerrett OKC PF -2.121316099
Malcolm Lee PHI SG -2.173422222
Seth Curry PHX PG -2.270744444
Toure' Murry UTA PG -2.358561111
Gal Mekel NOP PG -2.746275435
Ricky Ledo DAL SF -2.808702978
Russ Smith NOP PG -2.812143768
Julius Randle LAL PF -4.726084889
Including games played:
Code: Select all
Player Team Position VEDS (includes Games Played)
Stephen Curry GSW PG 29.09230357
Anthony Davis NOP PF 28.44369643
James Harden HOU SG 26.84946398
Chris Paul LAC PG 25.09411
Kyle Korver ATL SF 24.78309465
J.J. Redick LAC SG 23.90817671
Draymond Green GSW PF 23.77947252
Trevor Ariza HOU SF 23.48726712
Lebron James CLE SF 22.44081788
Kevin Love CLE PF 22.14102493
Jimmy Butler CHI SF 21.55794066
Khris Middleton MIL SF 21.01978709
Danny Green SAS SF 21.00049162
Klay Thompson GSW SG 20.70725149
Marc Gasol MEM C 20.52073916
Damian Lillard POR PG 20.20328749
Pau Gasol CHI PF 20.14511204
Gordon Hayward UTA SF 19.83965077
Kyrie Irving CLE PG 19.68941284
Tim Duncan SAS PF 19.66572994
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 19.05883574
Al Horford ATL C 18.9956612
Blake Griffin LAC PF 18.99423894
Deandre Jordan LAC C 18.58834551
Serge Ibaka OKC PF 18.38780414
Wesley Matthews POR SG 18.28292696
Russell Westbrook OKC PG 18.25253734
Tyson Chandler DAL PF 18.23612413
Eric Bledsoe PHX PG 17.88599174
Lamarcus Aldridge POR PF 17.87640116
Paul Millsap ATL PF 17.86969568
Markieff Morris PHX PF 17.68264423
Derrick Favors UTA PF 17.50828583
Matt Barnes LAC SF 17.46818356
Kyle Lowry TOR PG 17.35579417
John Wall WAS PG 17.31614189
Ben McLemore SAC SG 17.26848133
Dirk Nowitzki DAL PF 17.21184642
Marcin Gortat WAS C 17.15142531
DeMarcus Cousins SAC C 16.81560589
Anthony Morrow OKC SG 16.70900235
Harrison Barnes GSW SF 16.63384482
DeMarre Carroll ATL SF 16.17236968
Mike Dunleavy CHI SF 15.95732689
Nikola Vucevic ORL C 15.84039569
Zach Randolph MEM PF 15.5016209
Chandler Parsons DAL SF 15.09849421
Avery Bradley BOS SG 15.02964232
Rudy Gobert UTA C 15.01121621
Paul Pierce WAS SF 14.95298179
Luol Deng MIA SF 14.92571565
Marvin Williams CHO PF 14.72928459
Brook Lopez BKN C 14.71996576
Jeff Teague ATL PG 14.69261877
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 14.61334061
Jared Dudley MIL SF 14.47555274
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope DET SG 14.40335486
Nicolas Batum POR SF 14.39480735
Greg Monroe DET PF 14.37003008
Patrick Patterson TOR PF 14.32754004
C.J. Miles IND SF 14.09188845
Nikola Mirotic CHI PF 14.08351981
Louis Williams TOR SG 13.91201269
Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL SF 13.69668987
P.J. Tucker PHX SF 13.56997028
Courtney Lee MEM SG 13.51922986
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 13.50248069
Robert Covington PHI PF 13.42807433
Mike Conley MEM PG 13.34222912
Gerald Henderson CHO SF 13.09259523
Monta Ellis DAL SG 13.08456892
Tyler Zeller BOS C 13.04995375
Rudy Gay SAC SF 12.96814602
Jason Terry HOU SG 12.94287468
Channing Frye ORL C 12.93722577
Joe Johnson BKN SF 12.91408546
Andre Drummond DET C 12.81797864
Ty Lawson DEN PG 12.65278379
Bradley Beal WAS SG 12.63617576
Wesley Johnson LAL SF 12.56230835
Wilson Chandler DEN SF 12.52837872
Alan Anderson BKN SF 12.36818967
Gorgui Dieng MIN C 12.22706471
Donatas Motiejunas HOU PF 12.04918896
Brandon Bass BOS PF 11.92992571
Tobias Harris ORL PF 11.78347556
Amir Johnson TOR PF 11.72518002
David West IND PF 11.70346163
Andrew Wiggins MIN SF 11.69667164
Tyreke Evans NOP SG 11.67973664
DeMar Derozan TOR SG 11.65001985
Danilo Gallinari DEN SF 11.63945245
Kenneth Faried DEN PF 11.59022948
Mario Chalmers MIA PG 11.55334908
Caron Butler DET SF 11.36039238
Joakim Noah CHI C 11.20512266
Nerlens Noel PHI PF 11.15713904
Tristan Thompson CLE PF 11.1515188
Zaza Pachulia MIL C 11.09067069
J.R. Smith CLE SG 11.05761617
Marcus Smart BOS PG 11.02990315
Roy Hibbert IND C 10.96822469
Marcus Morris PHX PF 10.95047147
Andrew Bogut GSW C 10.89867031
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO SF 10.82248868
Chris Bosh MIA PF 10.50527587
Patrick Beverley HOU PG 10.49739576
Manu Ginobili SAS SG 10.49608743
Deron Williams BKN PG 10.46008153
Eric Gordon NOP SG 10.39998643
Tony Allen MEM SG 10.396887
Robin Lopez POR C 10.37577073
Cody Zeller CHO C 10.27909415
Rasual Butler WAS SG 10.26902823
Boris Diaw SAS PF 10.19278087
Wayne Ellington LAL SG 10.1348243
Kelly Olynyk BOS PF 10.04642999
Hollis Thompson PHI SF 10.03358108
Luc Mbah a Moute PHI PF 10.03235073
Omer Asik NOP C 10.01634215
Nene Hilario WAS PF 10.01566246
Al Jefferson CHO C 9.932023548
Darren Collison SAC PG 9.824822275
Jared Sullinger BOS PF 9.731857248
Victor Oladipo ORL SG 9.684910196
Rodney Stuckey IND SG 9.684120041
Kevin Durant OKC SF 9.661203938
O.J. Mayo MIL SG 9.640000642
Jeremy Lin LAL PG 9.632529427
Greivis Vasquez TOR PG 9.618320254
Ed Davis LAL PF 9.615877722
Anthony Tolliver DET PF 9.613983682
Luis Scola IND PF 9.563496777
Al-Farouq Aminu DAL PF 9.519758703
Devin Harris DAL PG 9.458944033
Jodie Meeks DET SG 9.420435112
Dante Cunningham NOP PF 9.371020763
Taj Gibson CHI PF 9.336879113
Terrence Ross TOR SF 9.266294414
Arron Afflalo DEN SG 9.241743736
George Hill IND PG 9.061125736
Goran Dragic PHX PG 9.031445662
Ryan Anderson NOP PF 8.939385982
Cory Joseph SAS PG 8.865298469
Solomon Hill IND SF 8.792465708
Kemba Walker CHO PG 8.778847744
Joe Ingles UTA SF 8.76801081
Timofey Mozgov CLE C 8.673425047
Dante Exum UTA PG 8.666308612
C.J. Watson IND PG 8.609337833
Dwyane Wade MIA SG 8.606658003
James Johnson TOR SF 8.60407428
Jason Thompson SAC PF 8.556703897
Steven Adams OKC C 8.543994892
Trey Burke UTA PG 8.523609289
Tony Snell CHI SF 8.516761415
Jae Crowder BOS SF 8.434492886
Steve Blake POR PG 8.42101567
Andre Roberson OKC SF 8.231696241
Elfrid Payton ORL PG 8.222631422
Brandon Knight MIL PG 8.177947933
Ersan Ilyasova MIL PF 8.155531332
Alex Len PHX C 8.148570163
Thaddeus Young MIN PF 8.14288466
Mareese Speights GSW PF 7.986516362
Evan Fournier ORL SG 7.975542236
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 7.942932426
Jarrett Jack BKN PG 7.91629357
Otto Porter WAS SF 7.911313869
Mason Plumlee BKN PF 7.815145703
Matthew Dellavedova CLE PG 7.81146368
Jamal Crawford LAC SG 7.789887306
Quincy Acy NYK PF 7.789240031
Jordan Hill LAL PF 7.765371544
Carmelo Anthony NYK PF 7.718707505
Jeff Green MEM SF 7.702938963
Mike Scott ATL PF 7.692989014
Kris Humphries WAS PF 7.689152683
Isaiah Thomas PHX PG 7.686682218
Darrell Arthur DEN PF 7.633257672
Marco Belinelli SAS SF 7.628837267
Richard Jefferson DAL SF 7.627817227
Jrue Holiday NOP PG 7.623931117
Pero Antic ATL C 7.617547371
Kostas Koufos MEM C 7.609963906
Bojan Bogdanovic BKN SF 7.535428646
Josh Smith HOU PF 7.516699579
Tim Hardaway NYK SG 7.408471225
Kevin Martin MIN SG 7.362103385
Corey Brewer HOU SF 7.3493261
Evan Turner BOS SF 7.312767733
Meyers Leonard POR C 7.289481628
Tiago Splitter SAS C 7.256339526
Aron Baynes SAS C 7.250374997
Kyle Singler DET SF 7.239933141
Jerryd Bayless MIL PG 7.21885498
Carl Landry SAC PF 7.202703811
Quincy Pondexter NOP SF 7.170421567
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 7.150598803
Chris Anderson MIA C 7.143758077
Spencer Hawes LAC C 7.129749815
Langston Galloway NYK PG 7.117632659
Nick Collison OKC C 7.025129796
Trevor Booker UTA PF 7.012823941
Aaron Brooks CHI PG 6.998682228
Dwight Howard HOU C 6.951883577
Henry Sims PHI C 6.906195939
Omri Casspi SAC SF 6.861132724
Lavoy Allen IND PF 6.829613768
Tyler Hansbrough TOR PF 6.829567009
Brandon Jennings DET PG 6.821647184
Beno Udrih MEM PG 6.810617168
Rodney Hood UTA SF 6.668819725
Thabo Sefolosha ATL SF 6.570209897
Shane Larkin NYK PG 6.555717581
Ryan Kelly LAL PF 6.500578621
Chase Budinger MIN SF 6.495716891
Tony Parker SAS PG 6.465276354
Jerami Grant PHI PF 6.453717905
Derrick Rose CHI PG 6.434644487
Reggie Jackson OKC PG 6.423587979
Damjan Rudez IND SF 6.416782853
Gerald Green PHX SG 6.352633791
Carlos Boozer LAL PF 6.300327177
Shawne Williams MIA SF 6.224467387
Alexis Ajinca NOP C 6.210538094
Jason Smith NYK C 6.125599981
Kirk Hinrich CHI PG 6.118220061
J.J. Barea DAL PG 6.046251879
John Henson MIL PF 5.979480022
Bismack Biyombo CHO C 5.965352
James Ennis MIA SF 5.88476325
Chris Kaman POR C 5.828711089
Jusuf Nurkic DEN C 5.825396438
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 5.788389085
Iman Shumpert CLE SF 5.785098074
Robert Sacre LAL C 5.74833942
Jose Calderon NYK PG 5.722349478
Derrick Williams SAC PF 5.698870555
Timofey Mozgov DEN C 5.660382068
Leandro Barbosa GSW SG 5.648888543
Matt Bonner SAS C 5.642033603
Jonas Jerebko DET SF 5.630871695
Terrence Jones HOU PF 5.618929107
Kent Bazemore ATL SG 5.591098461
C.J. McCollum POR SG 5.549678614
Mirza Teletovic BKN PF 5.485638043
Patrick Mills SAS PG 5.463384174
Nick Young LAL SF 5.401583764
Jeff Green BOS SF 5.399045671
Brian Roberts CHO PG 5.395443837
Kevin Garnett BKN C 5.348243274
Randy Foye DEN SG 5.336368634
James Jones CLE SF 5.300479034
Luke Babbitt NOP SF 5.255726304
Mo Williams MIN PG 5.222737447
Shabazz Muhammad MIN SF 5.160214379
Pablo Prigioni NYK PG 5.155724989
David Lee GSW PF 5.073170913
Brandan Wright PHX PF 5.046313935
Vince Carter MEM SF 5.025616809
Kyle O'Quinn ORL C 4.944120458
Enes Kanter OKC C 4.912156387
Drew Gooden WAS PF 4.830877404
Hedo Turkoglu LAC SF 4.827186733
Goran Dragic MIA PG 4.786969518
Ian Mahinmi IND PF 4.772770606
Cole Aldrich NYK C 4.741580902
Ronnie Price LAL PG 4.737942992
Thaddeus Young BKN PF 4.705941762
Nik Stauskas SAC SG 4.647674982
D.J. Augustin DET PG 4.615586319
Glen Davis LAC PF 4.610968688
Garrett Temple WAS PG 4.568125645
J.J. Hickson DEN C 4.509845495
Kevin Seraphin WAS PF 4.471794846
Dennis Schroeder ATL PG 4.469705391
Shabazz Napier MIA PG 4.465091917
Allen Crabbe POR SG 4.433686852
Charlie Villaneuva DAL PF 4.392167673
Dion Waiters OKC SG 4.385795541
Elijah Millsap UTA SG 4.352191061
Brandan Wright DAL PF 4.309174893
Nikola Pekovic MIN C 4.30559871
Mike Miller CLE SF 4.264088356
Jon Leuer MEM PF 4.236179988
Rajon Rondo DAL PG 4.233811085
Donald Sloan IND PG 4.230216907
Enes Kanter UTA C 4.2040659
Ray McCallum SAC PG 4.201005939
Reggie Jackson DET PG 4.191601694
Tarik Black LAL PG 4.165952102
Nick Calathes MEM PG 4.130567511
Shawn Marion CLE SF 4.086236764
Mo Williams CHO PG 4.059722114
Isaiah Thomas BOS PG 4.058355062
Udonis Haslem MIA PF 4.042926215
Jonas Jerebko BOS PF 4.010728707
Dorell Wright POR SF 4.00794203
Justin Holiday GSW PG 4.005050824
Dewayne Dedmon ORL PG 3.977634574
Amar'e Stoudemire NYK PF 3.968308301
Arron Afflalo POR SG 3.956344897
Robbie Hummel MIN SF 3.918856974
Ricky Rubio MIN PG 3.887474787
Jeremy Lamb OKC SG 3.824995591
Marcus Thornton BOS SG 3.823741473
Miles Plumlee PHX C 3.797013718
Mike Muscala ATL C 3.747527913
Anderson Varejao CLE C 3.678023602
Willie Green ORL SG 3.668567904
Will Barton DEN SF 3.636196745
Shelvin Mack ATL PG 3.627700778
Iman Shumpert NYK SG 3.535704729
Louis Amundson NYK PF 3.531738439
Alec Burks UTA SG 3.523545216
Andrea Bargnani NYK PF 3.508496459
Norris Cole MIA PG 3.504605676
Joel Freeland POR C 3.459286481
Henry Walker MIA SG 3.435471187
Kostas Papanikolaou HOU SF 3.405082441
Michael Carter-Williams PHI PG 3.366551817
Josh Smith DET PF 3.279304073
Jason Maxiell CHO PF 3.273803993
Sergey Karasev BKN SF 3.262250603
Kobe Bryant LAL SG 3.176705306
Joey Dorsey HOU C 3.126317646
Aaron Gordon ORL PF 3.057736188
Zach LaVine MIN SG 3.054355608
Larry Sanders MIL C 3.045775465
Norris Cole NOP PG 3.006956809
Danny Granger MIA SF 2.958038656
Lance Thomas NYK C 2.937204852
JaKarr Sampson PHI SF 2.898044924
Michael Carter-Williams MIL PG 2.883142424
K.J. McDaniels PHI SF 2.860063671
Lance Stephenson CHO SG 2.85891513
Ramon Sessions WAS PG 2.858047439
T.J. Warren PHX PF 2.822062314
Jameer Nelson DEN PG 2.820895928
Quincy Pondexter MEM SF 2.788319932
Dion Waiters CLE SG 2.785468027
Festus Ezeli GSW C 2.724556799
Austin Rivers NOP SG 2.70629436
Maurice Harkless ORL SF 2.691468529
Austin Rivers LAC SG 2.67700455
Cory Jefferson BKN PF 2.654019862
Amar'e Stoudemire DAL PF 2.646310463
Pablo Prigioni HOU PG 2.639678167
Tayshaun Prince DET SF 2.623645903
Anthony Bennett MIN PF 2.611879496
Markel Brown BKN SG 2.582182569
P.J. Hairston CHO SG 2.54853838
Reggie Evans SAC PF 2.532455955
John Jenkins ATL SG 2.532199383
Tayshaun Prince MEM SF 2.524702154
Jordan Farmar LAC PG 2.523664036
Kendrick Perkins OKC C 2.508608587
Mitch McGary OKC C 2.498864
D.J. Augustin OKC PG 2.409072782
Corey Brewer MIN SF 2.389646258
J.R. Smith NYK SG 2.369306398
Chris Copeland IND SF 2.308609086
Tyler Johnson MIA PG 2.298007975
Elton Brand ATL PF 2.281296079
Joel Anthony DET C 2.265135123
Ryan Hollins SAC C 2.264869119
Alexey Shved NYK SG 2.224642455
Rajon Rondo BOS PG 2.222465219
E'Twaun Moore CHI PG 2.212457217
Andre Miller WAS PG 2.212265912
Travis Wear NYK PG 2.196481701
Jameer Nelson DAL PG 2.189996378
Joe Harris CLE SG 2.185260838
Luke Ridnour ORL PG 2.18014617
Nate Robinson DEN PG 2.161875609
Kyle Singler OKC SF 2.16131855
Gary Neal CHO SG 2.149023623
Cleanthony Early NYK SF 2.147686869
Jabari Brown LAL SG 2.134201045
Jabari Parker MIL SF 2.128492579
Jason Richardson PHI SF 2.116277031
Ben Gordon ORL SG 2.076585191
Anthony Tolliver PHX PF 2.055297061
Andrew Nicholson ORL PF 2.052966252
Alonzo Gee DEN SF 2.023050759
Jeremy Evans UTA PF 1.98320393
Isaiah Canaan PHI PG 1.974748344
Lorenzo Brown MIN PG 1.967589222
Jerome Jordan BKN PF 1.965881918
Perry Jones III OKC PF 1.937150012
Reggie Bullock LAC SF 1.928562909
James Young BOS SF 1.887466997
Kendall Marshall MIL PG 1.883725112
Greg Smith DAL C 1.878818111
Samuel Dalembert NYK C 1.839539894
Thomas Robinson PHI PF 1.826722738
Phil Pressey BOS PG 1.773340703
Andre Miller SAC PG 1.769277585
Ramon Sessions SAC PG 1.767044279
Alexey Shved PHI SG 1.75664154
Isaiah Canaan HOU PG 1.744192781
Chris Johnson UTA SF 1.661687352
Tarik Black HOU PF 1.608052967
Michael Beasley MIA PF 1.600259312
Jimmer Fredette NOP SG 1.592277734
Josh McRoberts MIA PF 1.550898928
Jae Crowder DAL SF 1.533589089
Jeff Ayres SAS C 1.524665647
Jeffery Taylor CHO SF 1.512738596
Furkan Aldemir PHI C 1.509766997
Luigi Datome BOS PF 1.507683098
Gary Neal MIN SG 1.50739202
Sebastian Telfair OKC PG 1.46081439
Justin Hamilton MIA C 1.4437312
Tony Wroten PHI SG 1.437408763
Dwight Powell DAL PF 1.422025343
Lance Thomas OKC C 1.411563881
Justin Hamilton MIN C 1.403852827
Erick Green DEN PG 1.375013079
Jeff Withey NOP C 1.359149725
Brandon Knight PHX PG 1.328648657
Gary Harris DEN SG 1.271446536
Tayshaun Prince BOS SF 1.193777133
John Salmons NOP SF 1.170858782
Steve Novak UTA PF 1.104790986
Archie Goodwin PHX SG 1.065082419
Brandon Davies PHI PF 1.034575019
Jordan Adams MEM SG 1.033136974
Chuck Hayes TOR C 1.032971023
Jeff Adrien MIN C 1.009007014
A.J. Price IND PG 1.002407496
Adreian Payne MIN PF 1.000659652
Kevin Garnett MIN C 0.9635850489
John Lucas III DET PG 0.9416296389
Raymond Felton DAL PG 0.9326816531
Doug McDermott CHI SF 0.9159884527
Troy Daniels CHO PG 0.9060225867
Noah Vonleh CHO PF 0.8991985979
Thomas Robinson POR PF 0.8857879317
Ish Smith PHI PG 0.8496535905
Martell Webster WAS SG 0.8483945305
Chris Johnson MIL SF 0.8404471852
Bernard James DAL C 0.807417611
Spencer Dinwiddie DET PG 0.8008276587
Austin Daye SAS SF 0.78045146
Shayne Whittington IND PF 0.7658684507
Jarnell Stokes MEM PF 0.749248804
Javale McGee DEN C 0.7441335274
Will Barton POR SF 0.7355676423
Ian Clark UTA SG 0.7288304835
Chris Johnson PHI SF 0.7220538747
Miles Plumlee MIL C 0.7218528195
Cartier Martin DET PG 0.7131529734
Kyle Anderson SAS SF 0.707493859
James Michael McAdoo GSW PF 0.6986094471
Francisco Garcia HOU SF 0.684029068
Jannero Pargo CHO PG 0.6663818994
Bryce Cotton UTA PG 0.6637118026
Landry Fields TOR SF 0.6442021896
Jordan Hamilton LAC SF 0.6154869636
Troy Daniels MIN PG 0.6022603118
JaMychal Green MEM PF 0.6022168075
Reggie Williams SAS SF 0.5949547189
Jorge Gutierrez MIL PG 0.5904066558
Devyn Marble ORL SG 0.586417282
Joffrey Lauvergne DEN PF 0.5803703539
Earl Barron PHX C 0.5756325396
Troy Daniels HOU PG 0.5733088982
Darius Morris BKN PG 0.5502714943
Shawne Williams DET SF 0.535825762
Ekpe Udoh LAC C 0.5237198796
Nate Robinson LAC PG 0.5223095126
Malcolm Thomas PHI C 0.518649384
Victor Claver POR PF 0.4903791328
Toney Douglas NOP PG 0.4798815185
Arinze Onuaku MIN C 0.4690103638
Ognjen Kuzmic GSW C 0.4664176823
Steve Novak OKC PF 0.4544364522
Nick Johnson HOU SG 0.4141139751
Austin Daye ATL SF 0.4074928287
Sean Kilpatrick MIN PF 0.4066648324
C.J. Wilcox LAC SG 0.4066247474
Gerald Wallace BOS SF 0.3975024371
Brandan Wright BOS PF 0.377228666
Dahntay Jones LAC SF 0.3764913585
Jared Cunningham LAC PG 0.358745173
Kenyon Martin MIL PF 0.3550603996
Dwight Buycks LAL PG 0.3500962083
Johnny O'Bryant MIL PF 0.3439109158
Ricky Ledo NYK SF 0.3326799541
Nazr Mohammad CHI C 0.3297825507
Jack Cooley UTA C 0.3291876293
Nate Wolters MIL PG 0.3216827386
Tim Frazier POR PG 0.3204937648
Elliott Williams UTA SF 0.3120885783
Elliot Williams NOP SF 0.3032732584
Chris Douglas-Roberts LAC SF 0.2957697683
Earl Clark BKN PF 0.2795621757
Lester Hudson LAC PG 0.2666484077
DeJuan Blair WAS PF 0.2616162488
Alonzo Gee POR SF 0.2589812496
Russ Smith MEM PG 0.2587812657
Louis Amundson CLE PF 0.2562467639
Ish Smith OKC PG 0.2439916078
Paul George IND SF 0.2389398654
Brendan Haywood CLE C 0.2342610812
Alexey Shved HOU PG 0.2298694893
Glenn Robinson MIN SF 0.2268536856
Glenn Robinson PHI SF 0.217345561
Xavier Henry LAL SF 0.2172410927
Kendrick Perkins CLE C 0.2084373385
Greg Stiemsma TOR C 0.2043164608
Will Cherry CLE PG 0.1632675927
Quincy Miller DET SF 0.1600713694
Quincy Miller SAC SF 0.1598024198
Shavlik Randolph PHX PF 0.1588587707
Zoran Dragic MIA PG 0.1555155289
Shannon Brown MIA PG 0.151932355
Jorge Gutierrez BKN PG 0.1414751477
Ian Clark DEN SG 0.1286578494
Tyler Ennis PHX PG 0.1205136231
Clint Capela HOU PF 0.114310554
Tyrus Thomas MEM PF 0.1127876863
Tim Frazier PHI PG 0.1087032078
Grant Jerrett UTA PF 0.09374972158
Cameron Bairstow CHI PF 0.09122259512
Jameer Nelson BOS PG 0.07566293248
JaMychal Green SAS PF 0.07534919406
Jamaal Franklin DEN SG 0.07269763963
Andre Dawkins MIA PG 0.06919370331
Alex Kirk CLE C 0.0584415664
Glen Rice WAS SF 0.05796363447
Javale McGee PHI C 0.05548004836
David Stockton SAC PG 0.05275359897
Drew Gordon PHI PF 0.04875533301
Miroslav Raduljica MIN C 0.04706286721
Luigi Datome DET PF 0.04184966331
Eric Moreland SAC PF 0.0353775813
Ronny Turiaf MIN PF 0.03372628726
Shavlik Randolph BOS PF 0.02938572629
Sim Bhullar SAC C 0.02874934959
Dwight Powell BOS PF 0.02244585472
K.J. McDaniels HOU SF 0.0111697766
Zoran Dragic PHX SF 0.01002867957
Brandon Davies BKN PF 0.008379098727
David Wear SAC C 0.0009825880759
Vander Blue LAL SG -0.001339145517
Nate Wolters NOP PG -0.006409551343
Jerrelle Benimon UTA PF -0.009344918699
Larry Drew PHI PG -0.01106981463
A.J. Price CLE PG -0.01507086411
Toure' Murray WAS PG -0.01634691952
Brandon Rush GSW SF -0.01877201481
Lucas Nogueira TOR PF -0.02236987246
Kalin Lucas MEM PF -0.02424227642
Malcolm Lee PHI SG -0.02650514905
Andrei Kirilenko BKN SF -0.02743858862
Toure' Murry UTA PG -0.02876294038
Adreian Payne ATL PF -0.03584866829
Tyler Ennis MIL PG -0.03970145458
Will Bynum WAS PG -0.05319195235
Seth Curry PHX PG -0.05538401084
Darius Miller NOP SG -0.05567533875
Julius Randle LAL PF -0.05763518157
Bruno Caboclo TOR SF -0.06103914222
Jerel McNeal PHX PG -0.06316477582
Patrick Christopher UTA PG -0.0981002168
A.J. Price PHX PG -0.1118726287
Grant Jerrett OKC PF -0.1293485426
Marcus Thornton PHX SG -0.1318042098
Gal Mekel NOP PG -0.1339646554
Ricky Ledo DAL SF -0.1712623767
Russ Smith NOP PG -0.2057666172
Reggie Bullock PHX SF -0.263663394
Early trade analysis with VEDs per 82 games. I used positional rankings but players count twice or more on the list if they played on different teams so the rankings may be a few spots off here and there from "true" reality meant to show scale
Clippers acquire:
Lance Stephenson - 3.84 VEDS (#62 SG)
Hornets acquire:
Matt Barnes - 18.84 VEDS (#12 SF)
Spencer Hawes - 8.01 VEDS (#40 C)
Based on last year's production a major downgrade for the Clippers and even IND Lance production would rate below last year's Barnes. Matt Barnes rated as the Clips 4th best player ahead of the player the Clips are dying to max out in Deandre. Hawes is a competent big and the Clippers could end up with a less productive player in his place (*cough* Kendrick Perkins). Between the two the Clippers and replacing them with a ball dominant weak 3pt shooter in Lance the Clippers lose important spacing. On the other hand Barnes is old and Lance is young, which could close the gap quickly between the two and you can't get a bigger difference for helping players efficiency between the toilet bowl of the Hornets offense and playing with Paul, Blake and Doc in LA. My main problem with this deal is Barnes didn't need to be in it. The Hornets wanted an unguaranteed contract to get Lamb meaning the similarly mostly unguaranteed Jamal Crawford (ranks #36 SG, has no fit on a team with Redick and Stephenson) replacing Barnes would have worked, or another way such as using a recent 1st in CJ Wilcox as value with Jordan Farmar and capspace from a team like 76ers to help the Hornets make that Lamb deal. This is before considering the scary proposition that having all of Lance, Jamal and Redick on the team leads to Redick losing minutes for the sake of less valuable players
Hornets acquire:
Jeremy Lamb - 6.67 VEDS (#52 SG)
Memphis Grizzlies acquire:
Matt Barnes - 18.84 VEDS (#12 SF)
Oklahoma City acquire:
Luke Ridnour - 3.80 VEDS (#99 PG)
Although Barnes rated a lot higher than the Hornets last year, with MKG and Batum there wouldn't have been as much minutes for him in addition to other factors like age and not playing with Paul and Blake anymore, so his value likely would've fallen off hard in CHA. Lamb gives them a young SG who's VEDS wasn't that great but an increase from 13.5mpg could help increase his value. The Hornets need spacing which is one of his strengths. OKC will waive Ridnour. If Barnes can come close to the production he had last year he will provide a steal in value to Memphis by giving them needed defense and spacing but he's also at the age where taking him away from CP3 could drive him away from NBA caliber play quickly
Hornets acquire:
Nic Batum - 16.62 VEDS (#17 SF)
Portland acquires:
Gerald Henderson - 13.42 VEDS (#29 SF)
Noah Vonleh - 2.95 VEDS (#108 PF)
Batum ranked as a quality SF despite an off year for health reasons. On the other hand going from a high quality spacing situation in Portland to Charlotte and potentially playing out of position could also hurt his numbers.
Portland did this for Vonleh who played too little for his rating to matter although his poor production in the D League shouldn't just be ignored. Henderson is fringe starter caliber and could put up some points per game next year to become an asset on a likely depleted Portland team.
Portland acquires:
Mason Plumlee - 7.82 VEDS (#69 PF)
Rights to Pat Connaughton (#41)
Brooklyn acquires:
Steve Blake - 8.52 VEDS (#49 PG)
Rights to Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (#23)
Plumlee is young but has fairly unimpressive value in modern NBA due to lack of spacing or notable defensive impact. Still Portland only moved down 18 spots and if they had Connaughton rated close to the best players available at 23 they have been thinking they're getting free value
Toronto acquires:
Future 1st (2017 LA Clippers)
Rights to Norman Powell (#46)
Milwaukee acquires:
Greivis Vasquez - 9.62 VEDS (#39 PG)
This trade looks frankly atrocious. Vasquez is an above average backup PG and his ability to create shots himself and play the pick and roll could help the Bucks. But at 6.6 million rates as arguably not even worth the capspace the Bucks gave up for him, let alone paying a future 1st and a 2nd round pick this year.
Re: VEDS (Post playoffs update + Early trade evaluations)
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:58 pm
by Crow
Vasquez trade does look bad. Might look better if they extend or re-sign for a fair salary in future. Perhaps they feel it is the necessary move to get to playoffs next season. If so, that could heighten the value.
What will they do with MCW long-term? Trade, re-sign, let walk?
Re: VEDS (Post playoffs update + Early trade evaluations)
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:40 pm
by Dr Positivity
Very unscientific ranking of each conference right now, couldn't really build a fully quant way to predict right now without a wide number of past years done, with young and old players just had to wing it by taking their per minute rate and giving them an expected bump up or down. I added my projected VEDS top 9 in minutes per game on each team, with a total minutes the same for each team, and the expectation as if they all play every game. Once it gets to the deeper bench it gets complicated with games played with guys getting in or out, not to mention benches haven't been fully filled out yet, thus would be hard to calculate. This is just a ballpark of what the stat would predict:
East
1 CLE
2 ATL
3 CHI
4 TOR
5 WAS
6 BOS (significant gap between 6 and 7 in the East)
7 CHA
8 DET
9 MIL
10 IND
11 MIA
12 PHI
13 ORL
14 NYK
15 BKN
1 GSW
2 OKC
3 SAS
4 UTA
5 LAC
6 HOU
7 NOP
8 POR
9 MEM
10 DAL
11 SAC
12 DEN
13 PHX
14 MIN
15 LAL
Very bullish on Portland compared to conventional wisdom. McCollum and Leonard project strongly based on what they did in lesser minutes last year and expectation of minutes increase this year, while Portland also benefits from the "average" effect - players like Henderson, Aminu, Davis, Plumlee aren't world beaters, there is value to having them instead of scrubs.
Miami is one of the most bearish projections, and this is before including surefire health problems. Wade rates as complete non impact, as he was an inefficient non floor spacer last year and the bench appears to be a problem. Dragic rated as more of a Reggie Jackson average starting PG last year. BOS rates as a quality team who could challenged high 40s, as Smart (based on numbers for a rookie) and Isaiah project to be quite the strong PG combo with some pieces like Bradley, Crowder, Sullinger, Zeller being both young and quality last year
Overall top 5 was 1 GSW 2 OKC 3 CLE 4 SAS 5 ATL. BKN rates dead last after they submarined their depth to get under the lux. Deron, Anderson, Mirza, Plumlee is a lot of competence out the door and replaced by like poor rating players such as Larkin, Bargs, rookie RHJ and far too many minutes for Jarrett Jack
Re: VEDS (Early conference ranks)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:15 am
by Crow
Seems pretty reasonable generally.
Since you are playing with it, would you be interested in comparing what VEDS would have projected for last season based on previous season and what just ED would have? That is just Efficiency and Defense, leaving Volume and Spacing out. Volume might capture relative team scoring attempts (with offensive rebounds and turnovers) and might have some value because of that but does as pacing really add something at team level beyond Efficiency? Maybe, if spacing affects turnovers and offensive rebounds but that it is a pretty background contribution. Most of the value in prediction is probably coming from ED, I believe. If VEDS outperformed ED in retrodiction (repeatedly) I'd probably become more interested.
I believe an ED rating with equal weights for offense and defense would beat VEDS as is, because of the balanced weighting. If you really want to advance VEDS I think you have to properly weight it rather than go with simple summation. For the offensive half, I'd think Volume and Spacing probably would optimally have low to nearly no weights. But tinker and see if you like.
Re: VEDS (Early conference ranks)
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:40 am
by Dr Positivity
I will check it, the stat was designed for rating individual players, but when adding it up for team ratings like 2014-2015's you may very well be right that the V and S cease to help. For example if I hypothesized that the reason Lamarcus Aldridge's high Volume had value last season is that it opens up space for his teammates, when rating last year's Blazers as a whole, statistically this impact could already show up in other players increased efficiency (i.e. Wes Matthews percentage on 3s, Robin Lopez % at rim) therefore just ED may already capture the hypothesized value of Aldridge volume shooting via other players. Likewise for a player like Kyle Korver's Spacing value, if the space he creates makes his teammates more efficient, that still shows up in the team's total rating because if his spacing effect improved his teammates stats and thus that improved the team's total VEDS or ED rating.
From the perspective of predicting next year, if just using ED then for example Aldridge looks like a poor acquisition as Splitter would rate as the much better player per minute (his net ED is higher than Aldridge, despite playing 20mpg vs 35, meaning he's lapping Aldridge per minute - not a surprise considering Splitter's entire game is taking efficient shots at the rim and playing defense) however the optimistic take on the acquisition LMA brings extra value to a team vs Splitter by drawing double teams to help players get open shots and his shooting range spacing the floor. The difference between VEDS and just ED would try to encapsulate this even if the end result at the end of the year is the other Spurs efficiency looking strong (My longtime personal belief as well is that having star players who take a big offensive load helps the rest of the team save their energy for defense, which is another benefit LMA could bring to the Spurs). On that note even with all this LMA only rated as well as Splitter and CoJo per minute last year in VEDS, just with 35mpg, so I'm not over the moon with the acquisition
My suspicion is that "just ED" would only be successful like Wins Produced is "successful" - it could explain last year but runs into problems like Splitter and Aldridge for the same reasons WP does by missing those interaction effects. On that note I think when I came up with my efficiency formula years ago I did upgrade it with a defensive adjustment and the results weren't great. For example Kosta Koufos at the time rated as a top 50 player overall, top 10 C and close to the best player of the franchise record Nuggets. Some other players of that type like Tyson Chandler and Robin Lopez also looked awesome, Chandler rated ahead of Dirk on 2011 Mavs for example and in 2011 and 2012 was like a top 5 player overall because he was basically the Ultimate version of Splitter and Koufos players. John Hollinger got Koufos, had Ed Davis set up to play more minutes and got Mike Miller that year to add to his WCF Grizzlies and I thought if my stat is right Memphis is going to kill the West because they just added added a bunch of very efficient players to fix their offense in place of inefficient ones. Memphis came out flat even before Marc Gasol's injury that year and Koufos efficiency hasn't been close to the same in Memphis as it was in Denver (ORTG dropped from 122 to 106, was 103 this year). That's what helped me realize it wasn't enough to just use that efficiency formula even though when I applied it to previous seasons with defense included, like Wins Produced, it added up 90-95% to wins. While nowadays I believe things like the V and the S would have helped a lot in evaluating what Memphis got in Koufos at the time, and capturing what makes 2011 Dirk valuable compared to Chandler
Re: VEDS (Early conference ranks)
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:02 am
by Crow
ED is the impact, VS is the role?
What if you used V and S as coordinates to graph then displayed ED value or mapped one then the other or both as 3rd and 4th dimensions? The original rating becomes a simpler rating and topology... and perhaps a typology if you analyze / characterize the topology.