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Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:43 am
by Mike G
Ranked by eWins projected over the full season.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.5 Joel Embiid Phl 22 .585 30.6 11.8 1.7 .7 7.2 3.8 2.12
3.2 Dario Saric Phl 27 .489 13.6 8.1 2.3 .8 2.9 .3 .71
2.2 Pascal Siakam Tor 19 .563 12.2 8.3 .5 1.0 1.2 1.0 .71
2.2 Malcolm Delaney Atl 17 .446 11.1 4.1 8.5 .7 2.8 .0 .76
1.9 Domantas Sabonis Okl 22 .535 12.1 5.5 2.4 .6 1.9 .6 .50
1.8 Buddy Hield NOP 19 .457 14.8 4.4 2.0 .8 1.8 .2 .57
1.8 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 20 .459 11.3 4.2 4.2 1.7 2.1 .1 .54
1.8 Jaylen Brown Bos 17 .529 14.5 4.4 1.6 1.6 1.7 .9 .64
1.7 Kris Dunn Min 20 .397 6.5 5.6 6.0 2.3 2.3 .4 .50
1.2 Andrew Harrison Mem 24 .455 9.5 3.2 4.5 1.8 2.4 .3 .32
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.2 Jonathan Gibson Dal 26 .638 28.6 6.6 3.5 2.0 6.7 .0 1.58
1.1 Willy Hernangomez NYK 10 .526 14.2 10.8 1.0 1.4 3.9 1.4 .87
1.1 Juan Hernangomez Den 12 .685 11.0 8.8 1.4 .6 1.4 .5 .67
1.1 Brandon Ingram LAL 22 .473 9.4 5.0 2.2 .9 1.5 .7 .29
1.0 Jamal Murray Den 20 .444 11.3 3.6 3.5 .9 2.5 .1 .30
1.0 Tomas Satoransky Was 19 .488 8.8 3.5 4.9 1.0 2.0 .0 .30
0.9 Jakob Poeltl Tor 17 .500 7.8 9.4 .6 1.0 .8 1.1 .50
0.9 Mind. Kuzminskas NYK 9 .541 15.0 5.7 1.4 1.5 1.2 .0 .78
0.9 Tyler Ulis Phx 12 .468 10.5 2.8 6.1 5.3 1.7 .4 .93
0.8 Marquese Chriss Phx 15 .465 11.8 7.4 1.3 1.0 4.0 1.0 .33
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.8 Jake Layman Por 9 .644 19.5 2.7 2.4 1.5 1.6 .5 .99
0.8 Rodney McGruder Mia 18 .520 10.0 3.8 1.3 1.2 .5 .3 .27
0.7 Deyonta Davis Mem 7 .579 12.2 9.2 .0 1.0 1.0 1.4 .80
0.6 Sheldon McClellan Was 13 .525 14.5 2.3 1.3 1.8 .5 .0 .54
0.6 Yogi Ferrell Brk 18 .561 13.1 2.7 5.4 .4 3.4 .4 .44
At 15% of the season, rookies total about 43 projected eWins for the season, at current rates and minutes.
East 25 - 18 West.
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:59 pm
by Mike G
The Nuggets' rookie Jamal Murray appears at #15 in the above list, with eW/484 = .30
A week later, he ranks #2 in projected eWins, e484 = .77
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Gms mpg TS% TRb% Ast% Blk% TO% Usg% ORt DRt GmSc
1-12 20.0 .448 5.2 15.5 0.4 15.3 15.3 88 111 3.4
13-16 28.5 .660 8.6 16.8 2.2 8.5 26.1 125 112 16.2
He's gotten 21.3 ppg these last 4 games, after averaging 7.0 thru 12.
The only players to avg 1+ 3-pointer and 2+ blocks for a full season are Raef LaFrentz in 2002 and Serge Ibaka in 2015.
Joel Embiid is averaging 1.1 3FG and 2.4 Blk thru 11 games.
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:53 pm
by Mike G
At .215 into the season, rookies have slipped to 40 eWins projected for the year.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
5.3 Joel Embiid Phl 23 .578 30.7 11.7 2.2 .8 6.8 3.6 2.06
2.7 Jamal Murray Den 22 .527 16.0 4.4 3.2 .7 2.2 .4 .72
2.3 Dario Saric Phl 25 .456 12.1 7.9 2.6 .6 3.0 .4 .53
2.1 Pascal Siakam Tor 19 .558 11.4 7.8 .6 1.1 1.1 1.1 .65
2.0 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 20 .496 12.2 3.8 4.0 1.5 2.0 .1 .58
1.8 Domantas Sabonis OkC 22 .538 11.7 5.7 2.4 1.0 2.1 .4 .48
1.7 Malcolm Delaney Atl 17 .476 12.0 3.7 6.4 .9 2.9 .1 .60
1.3 Willy Hernangomez NYK 14 .598 13.9 9.9 1.6 1.0 4.2 1.0 .70
1.3 Andrew Harrison Mem 26 .418 7.9 3.2 4.6 1.7 2.1 .6 .31
1.2 Kris Dunn Min 18 .391 5.8 5.0 5.0 2.6 2.3 .6 .41
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.2 Jaylen Brown Bos 15 .492 12.4 4.7 1.6 1.4 1.8 .8 .49
1.1 Brandon Ingram LAL 25 .460 9.4 5.2 2.3 .9 1.9 .6 .27
1.1 Buddy Hield NOP 17 .435 12.9 4.1 2.0 .6 1.6 .3 .38
1.0 Juan Hernangomez Den 12 .586 10.6 7.6 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.0 .65
1.0 Rodney McGruder Mia 22 .548 11.0 4.4 1.2 1.0 1.5 .4 .28
1.0 Marquese Chriss Phx 15 .473 12.5 6.6 1.2 1.2 3.4 1.3 .38
1.0 Jonathan Gibson Dal 19 .583 21.0 3.6 3.2 1.2 4.2 .0 .84
0.8 Mind. Kuzminskas NYK 11 .500 11.4 4.6 2.4 1.5 .8 .0 .54
0.8 T Waller-Prince Atl 11 .583 12.8 6.6 2.1 .9 2.3 .9 .62
0.7 Troy Williams Mem 13 .538 14.1 3.1 1.8 1.5 1.8 .4 .50
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.7 Jakob Poeltl Tor 15 .500 7.9 9.7 .5 1.0 1.0 1.0 .51
0.7 Tomas Satoransky Was 18 .450 7.6 3.7 4.7 1.2 2.0 .0 .22
0.6 Deyonta Davis Mem 8 .571 10.7 8.4 .3 .3 1.2 2.4 .62
0.6 Jake Layman Por 7 .609 15.9 3.5 2.2 1.9 1.2 .4 .81
0.5 Davis Bertans SAS 11 .616 11.5 3.7 1.0 .2 .9 1.8 .34
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:14 pm
by Mike G
Now at .315 of the season, rookies are as unpromising as ever; projecting to just 36 eWins on the season.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.0 Joel Embiid Phl 24 .554 28.5 11.7 2.8 1.0 5.9 4.3 2.34
2.6 Dario Saric Phl 24 .491 13.8 8.6 2.4 .7 3.0 .4 .64
2.1 Jamal Murray Den 22 .497 14.7 4.7 3.4 .7 2.5 .4 .55
2.0 W Hernangomez NYK 14 .584 14.9 12.0 2.1 1.1 3.5 1.4 1.08
1.8 Pascal Siakam Tor 19 .543 12.2 7.9 1.1 1.2 1.4 1.3 .57
1.8 Buddy Hield NOP 18 .471 15.1 4.5 2.3 .5 1.6 .3 .57
1.7 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 21 .515 12.6 3.6 4.8 1.5 2.1 .1 .49
1.4 Marquese Chriss Phx 17 .499 14.8 7.2 1.0 1.2 2.6 1.2 .49
1.3 Doman. Sabonis OkC 21 .536 11.7 6.2 2.4 1.1 2.1 .7 .36
1.0 Jaylen Brown Bos 14 .532 13.7 4.8 1.6 1.1 1.9 .9 .41
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.9 J Hernangomez Den 12 .558 10.6 7.9 1.5 1.2 1.0 .9 .55
.8 Malcolm Delaney Atl 16 .463 11.5 3.9 6.1 .8 3.2 .1 .29
.8 Jonathan Gibson Dal 16 .484 16.7 3.4 3.7 1.2 3.3 .0 .54
.7 M Kuzminskas NYK 11 .500 13.1 4.2 2.4 1.4 1.6 .3 .45
.7 Troy Williams Mem 19 .475 12.4 4.2 1.8 2.1 2.4 .9 .28
.7 Kay Felder Cle 10 .489 15.0 4.8 7.4 .6 2.9 .3 .88
.7 Andrew Harrison Mem 27 .413 9.4 3.3 4.9 1.7 2.3 .8 .15
.6 T Waller-Prince Atl 10 .516 12.4 7.4 2.3 .8 2.3 1.0 .51
.6 D Finney-Smith Dal 21 .527 9.8 5.0 1.6 .9 1.0 .6 .17
.6 Kris Dunn Min 18 .455 8.1 4.8 5.3 2.2 2.7 .5 .19
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.5 Deyonta Davis Mem 8 .582 11.4 9.2 .4 .2 1.7 2.9 .51
.5 Davis Bertans SAS 11 .590 11.4 4.2 1.7 .4 .9 1.6 .31
.5 Rodney McGruder Mia 25 .486 9.1 5.1 1.8 1.1 1.2 .5 .11
.4 Brandon Ingram LAL 27 .438 9.3 5.1 2.3 .7 1.9 .6 .09
.4 Tyler Ulis Phx 10 .462 10.8 2.3 5.9 3.7 2.8 .2 .41
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:04 pm
by Mike G
How weak is this year's rookie crop?
In the past 20 NBA seasons, there have been just about 100 rookies who got 1000 minutes and either :
>15.0 PER
>0 BPM
> .100 WS/48
So, about 5 per year (of each) would be the norm; a bit more in a full 82-game season.
If a rookie this year has 300 minutes now, he's on pace to hit 1000 by year's end. So how many above-avg rookies are there, by any of the above measures?
300+ minutes so far
PER: Embiid 21.6 (next: Siakam 12.5)
BPM: Embiid 1.7, Siakam 0.0 (McGruder -0.2)
WS/48: none (Siakam .096, Brogdon .067)
200-299 min.
PER: W Hernangomez 17.0
BPM: Bertans 1.1
WS/48: J Hernangomez .115, Bertans .113
A player with 250 minutes is only getting ~10 per game.
Without 3rd-year rookie Embiid, it's especially grim.
No American-born rookie is above avg in anything (in 200+ min). Only McGruder is even close, in BPM.
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:37 pm
by Mike G
After a monster game, Joel Embiid now has the 9th highest rookie PER of all time, 20+ mpg.
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PER rookie yr WS/48
22.9 Felix 1954 .155
24.4 Pettit 1955 .194
23.6 Baylor 1959 .165
28.0 Wilt 1960 .245
25.9 Oscar 1961 .210
26.3 Bellamy 1962 .233
22.5 Kareem 1970 .187
PER rookie yr WS/48 BPM
22.8 Cummings 1983 .164 3.5
25.8 Jordan 1985 .213 8.2
26.3 Robinson 1990 .241 6.5
22.9 Shaq 1993 .163 3.7
24.7 Sabonis 1996 .233 5.6
22.6 Duncan 1998 .192 5.5
22.5 Towns 2016 .151 2.8
23.5 Embiid 2017 .094 2.9
Yesterday, his numbers were 21.6, .064, 1.7
He had a Game Score of 30.3 last night. How great was this in the last 20 years of Sixers ball? Others who have hit 30 GmSc since 1997-98:
73 times: Iverson
3: Webber
2: Coleman, Holiday, T Young
1: Brand, MCW, Iguodala, Lou Williams, Andre Miller, Covington, James Anderson, and Embiid
http://bkref.com/tiny/oP5n8
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:44 am
by Dr Positivity
Looks like Willy Hernangomez is emerging as a non Embiid bright spot in this rookie class, although not 2016 draft again
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:27 am
by Mike G
Still looking at 36 eWins for the year, at 37% of the season.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.5 Joel Embiid Phl 24 .560 28.7 11.2 2.5 1.0 5.5 3.7 2.27
2.3 Willy Hernangomez NYK 14 .605 15.9 11.6 2.0 .9 3.0 1.3 1.16
2.3 Dario Saric Phl 24 .477 12.8 8.5 2.3 .7 2.8 .3 .56
2.2 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 22 .540 13.1 3.6 5.1 1.6 2.2 .1 .59
1.9 Pascal Siakam Tor 19 .556 12.1 7.7 1.1 1.1 1.6 1.7 .59
1.8 Jamal Murray Den 22 .493 13.6 4.8 3.2 .7 2.2 .5 .49
1.5 Buddy Hield NOP 19 .472 14.5 4.4 2.3 .5 1.7 .2 .48
1.5 Domantas Sabonis OkC 21 .541 12.2 6.3 2.3 1.1 2.1 .7 .43
1.4 Troy Daniels Mem 21 .522 18.0 2.4 1.4 .7 1.2 .2 .61
1.4 Marquese Chriss Phx 17 .489 14.2 7.6 1.1 1.1 2.7 1.0 .48
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.8 Juan Hernangomez Den 11 .560 10.9 7.8 1.4 1.1 1.0 .8 .58
0.8 Andrew Harrison Mem 26 .418 9.4 3.3 5.0 1.5 2.3 .7 .18
0.7 Jaylen Brown Bos 14 .494 12.5 4.7 1.4 1.0 1.6 .8 .31
0.7 Kay Felder Cle 10 .491 15.5 4.3 7.2 .8 2.7 .5 .95
0.7 M. Kuzminskas NYK 11 .510 12.6 4.1 2.6 1.4 1.4 .4 .45
0.7 Jonathan Gibson Dal 14 .484 16.4 3.5 3.6 1.2 3.1 .0 .53
0.7 Kris Dunn Min 17 .447 8.4 4.9 4.9 2.1 2.7 .7 .23
0.6 Cheick Diallo NOP 13 .574 17.3 10.7 .8 .9 .9 .9 1.39
0.5 Malcolm Delaney Atl 16 .459 10.9 3.5 5.5 .8 3.0 .1 .19
0.5 D. Finney-Smith Dal 23 .518 9.3 5.1 1.5 1.0 1.1 .6 .13
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:40 pm
by Mike G
At 42% thru the season, no sign of a surge; looking at 35 eWins for the year.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
6.6 Joel Embiid Phl 25 .562 29.5 11.2 2.6 5.4 1.2 5.8 3.7 2.28
2.6 Dario Saric Phl 24 .483 13.1 8.8 2.4 2.8 .7 2.7 .3 .65
2.5 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 23 .545 13.0 3.8 5.4 2.7 1.5 2.2 .1 .63
2.1 Buddy Hield NOP 20 .504 16.0 4.5 2.2 2.2 .5 1.7 .2 .62
1.8 Willy Hernangomez NYK 14 .585 14.2 11.2 1.9 3.7 .8 3.1 1.2 .93
1.6 Pascal Siakam Tor 18 .535 11.2 7.9 1.0 4.9 1.1 1.5 1.8 .52
1.5 Jamal Murray Den 21 .488 12.8 4.7 3.1 2.6 .8 2.1 .5 .44
1.4 Domantas Sabonis OkC 21 .518 11.3 6.5 2.3 4.4 1.0 2.0 .9 .39
1.4 Marquese Chriss Phx 17 .487 14.4 7.2 1.0 6.3 1.1 2.8 1.1 .48
1.1 Andrew Harrison Mem 27 .431 9.7 3.4 5.0 4.6 1.4 2.1 .7 .26
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
1.0 Kay Felder Cle 12 .528 17.4 3.6 5.9 3.4 1.1 2.0 .5 1.07
0.8 Kris Dunn Min 17 .450 8.1 4.9 5.0 4.2 2.1 2.5 .8 .29
0.8 M. Kuzminskas NYK 11 .538 13.8 3.9 2.3 3.3 1.3 1.4 .4 .49
0.7 Jaylen Brown Bos 13 .503 12.0 4.7 1.5 3.6 .9 1.4 .8 .31
0.6 Juan Hernangomez Den 11 .560 10.6 7.6 1.4 2.9 1.1 1.0 .8 .53
0.6 Jonathan Gibson Dal 14 .484 15.9 3.4 3.6 3.1 1.2 3.1 .0 .50
0.5 Cheick Diallo NOP 13 .574 17.2 10.6 .8 2.6 .9 .9 .9 1.33
0.5 Alex Abrines OkC 14 .534 14.2 3.0 1.0 3.0 1.0 1.5 .3 .26
0.4 Troy Williams Mem 17 .472 11.6 4.0 1.7 3.7 2.1 2.4 .8 .21
0.4 D. Finney-Smith Dal 23 .523 8.9 4.9 1.5 2.8 .9 1.1 .5 .10
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk e484
0.4 Malcolm Delaney Atl 17 .444 10.0 3.5 5.5 3.1 .8 3.2 .1 .14
0.4 T. Waller-Prince Atl 10 .493 10.8 6.8 2.3 3.5 .8 2.2 1.0 .38
0.4 Tyler Ulis Phx 9 .468 11.4 2.4 5.0 2.9 2.9 2.7 .2 .38
0.3 Deyonta Davis Mem 8 .582 10.8 8.8 .4 5.9 .2 1.6 2.4 .43
0.3 Rodney McGruder Mia 26 .495 8.3 4.9 1.9 2.7 1.0 1.1 .4 .08
0.3 Thon Maker Mil 4 .652 19.8 11.0 .0 4.7 .0 1.2 1.8 1.13
0.3 Jakob Poeltl Tor 11 .460 7.8 9.7 .9 6.9 1.2 .8 1.0 .35
0.3 Nicolas Brussino Dal 7 .481 7.7 5.8 3.7 2.7 1.5 1.6 .8 .32
0.3 Sheldon McClellan Was 14 .530 12.4 2.5 2.0 2.1 1.2 .5 .2 .34
0.3 Brandon Ingram LAL 27 .422 8.2 5.3 2.4 2.6 .5 1.7 .5 .06
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:41 pm
by Mike G
Rookies now project to total 41 eWins this season, at the 52% mark.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
7.1 Joel Embiid Phl 25 .566 28.7 11.5 2.6 1.2 5.5 3.5 2.29
3.5 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 25 .544 12.6 4.2 5.6 1.5 2.2 .2 .84
2.7 Dario Saric Phl 24 .489 12.6 8.7 2.2 .8 2.9 .4 .65
2.1 Buddy Hield NOP 20 .502 14.5 4.9 2.3 .5 1.7 .2 .62
1.7 Marquese Chriss Phx 18 .495 13.1 7.2 1.2 1.1 2.5 1.0 .56
1.7 Willy Hernangomez NYK 13 .574 13.1 11.4 1.8 .6 3.1 1.2 .91
1.5 Andrew Harrison Mem 25 .442 9.2 3.4 5.0 1.3 2.1 .6 .40
1.4 Domantas Sabonis OkC 21 .502 9.9 6.3 2.2 1.0 1.9 .8 .39
1.3 Pascal Siakam Tor 17 .517 9.4 7.7 .8 1.0 1.4 2.0 .47
1.3 M. Kuzminskas NYK 14 .566 14.4 4.1 2.2 1.3 1.6 .4 .66
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.2 Jamal Murray Den 20 .482 11.3 4.5 2.8 .8 2.1 .6 .37
1.2 Malcolm Delaney Atl 17 .480 10.4 3.5 5.7 1.0 3.0 .0 .40
1.0 Kay Felder Cle 10 .466 14.2 3.8 5.6 .9 1.5 .4 .95
0.9 Brandon Ingram LAL 28 .455 8.6 5.2 2.5 .5 1.6 .6 .20
0.8 Kris Dunn Min 17 .430 6.7 4.7 4.7 2.0 2.7 .9 .30
0.7 Jaylen Brown Bos 13 .501 11.0 5.0 1.6 .8 1.5 .7 .33
0.7 Juan Hernangomez Den 11 .554 9.0 7.6 1.2 1.1 .9 1.0 .51
0.7 Caris LeVert Brk 18 .534 9.9 4.4 2.8 1.5 1.3 .2 .42
0.6 Davis Bertans SAS 10 .622 11.5 3.9 2.2 .6 1.2 1.3 .42
0.5 Dejounte Murray SAS 7 .554 18.0 3.8 4.6 1.1 4.1 .5 .86
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
0.5 Isaiah Whitehead Brk 22 .468 9.2 4.1 4.5 1.0 3.7 1.0 .17
0.5 Jonathan Gibson Dal 14 .484 14.6 3.4 3.5 1.1 3.0 .0 .50
0.4 T Waller-Prince Atl 10 .511 10.3 6.2 2.1 1.0 2.0 1.0 .42
0.4 Rodney McGruder Mia 26 .474 7.2 4.9 1.9 .9 1.0 .3 .11
0.4 Alex Abrines OkC 14 .551 12.3 2.9 1.1 1.1 1.4 .3 .21
Embiid is not just the lone above-avg
player (1.00 eW/484), he's the only above avg (15.0) scorer; just 5 others are better than avg (6.6) rebounders.
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:10 pm
by Mike G
Season now at .635 complete, and rookies project to total 40 eWins; with 24 in the East and 16 in the West.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
6.1 Joel Embiid Phl 25 .569 29.1 11.7 2.9 1.3 5.6 3.6 2.35
3.3 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 25 .531 12.2 4.0 5.6 1.6 2.2 .2 .77
2.6 Dario Saric Phl 24 .471 12.5 8.5 2.3 .8 2.8 .4 .64
2.5 Willy Hernangomez NYK 15 .561 13.8 12.5 2.1 .8 2.6 1.1 1.15
2.0 Marquese Chriss Phx 18 .498 14.2 7.0 1.1 1.6 2.3 1.2 .63
1.9 Buddy Hield NOP 20 .491 13.7 5.0 2.3 .5 1.6 .2 .54
1.7 Jamal Murray Den 20 .499 12.8 4.4 3.1 .8 2.2 .6 .50
1.2 Andrew Harrison Mem 23 .457 9.7 3.2 4.8 1.3 2.0 .5 .34
1.1 M. Kuzminskas NYK 15 .528 13.2 4.4 2.1 1.3 1.6 .5 .53
1.1 Malcolm Delaney Atl 18 .476 10.6 3.4 5.1 1.1 2.7 .0 .36
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.1 Pascal Siakam Tor 17 .520 9.7 7.9 .8 1.1 1.4 1.9 .43
1.0 Davis Bertans SAS 12 .607 12.9 4.3 2.3 .9 1.1 1.3 .58
0.9 Jaylen Brown Bos 15 .498 11.3 5.8 1.5 .9 1.5 .6 .36
0.9 Caris LeVert Brk 20 .541 10.8 4.6 3.0 1.6 1.8 .2 .47
0.8 Domantas Sabonis OkC 22 .478 9.6 6.5 1.9 .9 2.1 .7 .23
0.8 Kay Felder Cle 11 .472 13.6 3.4 5.1 1.3 2.3 .6 .73
0.8 Brandon Ingram LAL 28 .444 8.7 5.2 2.3 .6 1.6 .6 .16
0.7 Ivica Zubac LAL 13 .527 13.7 10.3 1.2 .7 2.0 2.1 .99
0.7 Isaiah Whitehead Brk 22 .460 9.7 4.0 4.8 .9 3.2 .9 .23
0.7 Juan Hernangomez Den 11 .580 9.8 8.1 1.2 1.0 .9 .9 .54
0.6 Kris Dunn Min 17 .427 6.6 4.8 5.0 1.8 2.8 .9 .24
0.5 Rodney McGruder Mia 26 .491 8.0 4.8 2.0 .9 .9 .3 .13
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:15 pm
by Crow
One star, a handful of good and a lot of overrated / meh to bad.
Brogdon was my best pickup in sim drafts.
'Gomez' bros doing well.
Sabonis sunk far from first month surprise.
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:19 pm
by Mike G
At the break, rookie
faux RPM, ranked by
points above replacement.
PAR = (fRPM + 5.25)*Min/48
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PAR rookies tm Min fRPM BPM PER WS/48
150 Joel Embiid PHL 786 3.9 3.6 24.2 .121
129 Malcolm Brogdon MIL 1406 -.9 -1.3 13.9 .082
86 Rodney McGruder MIA 1390 -2.3 -.3 8.8 .068
85 Dario Saric PHL 1368 -2.3 -3.0 11.5 .015
81 W Hernangomez NYK 769 -.2 -.2 18.7 .126
77 Domantas Sabonis OKC 1235 -2.3 -4.9 6.6 .016
76 Andrew Harrison MEM 1162 -2.1 -2.1 8.5 .056
72 Marquese Chriss PHX 1070 -2.0 -2.5 10.9 .034
64 D Finney-Smith DAL 1143 -2.5 -1.1 7.9 .051
54 Davis Bertans SAS 556 -.6 2.0 13.0 .142
PAR rookies tm Min fRPM BPM PER WS/48
52 Kris Dunn MIN 882 -2.4 -3.2 7.4 -.014
52 Pascal Siakam TOR 806 -2.2 -1.4 11.0 .077
51 Jamal Murray DEN 1116 -3.0 -3.0 11.3 .029
49 J Hernangomez DEN 512 -.6 -.6 13.8 .115
46 Caris LeVert BRK 642 -1.8 -1.8 11.0 .043
45 Alex Abrines OKC 643 -1.9 -3.1 9.9 .091
43 Brandon Ingram LAL 1604 -4.0 -4.4 7.2 -.014
41 M Kuzminskas NYK 686 -2.4 -2.2 12.5 .056
38 Jaylen Brown BOS 821 -3.0 -5.0 9.6 .042
38 Buddy Hield NOP 1161 -3.7 -3.8 9.9 .018
PAR rookies tm Min fRPM BPM PER WS/48
35 Yogi Ferrell tot 481 -1.7 -1.2 13.7 .077
35 Malcolm Delaney ATL 991 -3.6 -5.4 8.4 .013
31 Troy Williams MEM 418 -1.7 -2.8 7.7 .010
27 T Satoransky WAS 553 -2.9 -2.6 8.9 .054
24 Jakob Poeltl TOR 345 -2.0 -1.1 10.1 .097
22 Patrick McCaw GSW 571 -3.4 -2.4 7.8 .060
21 Thon Maker MIL 218 -.6 -1.8 16.8 .143
20 Isaiah Whitehead BRK 1048 -4.3 -5.8 6.9 -.044
19 Kay Felder CLE 342 -2.5 -5.0 11.7 .043
19 T Waller-Prince ATL 353 -2.6 -4.0 8.7 .039
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:59 pm
by Mike G
At the 3/4 mark, rookies are limping toward 41 total eWins. Embiid currently has 3.6 and will get no more.
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e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
4.8 Joel Embiid Phl 25 .569 27.7 11.5 2.8 1.3 5.5 3.3 2.24
3.8 Dario Saric Phl 25 .495 14.1 8.8 2.7 .8 2.8 .4 .89
3.6 Malcolm Brogdon Mil 26 .542 12.7 3.9 5.5 1.6 2.1 .2 .82
2.9 Willy Hernangomez NYK 16 .574 13.8 12.6 2.2 .9 2.5 1.2 1.25
2.1 Marquese Chriss Phx 19 .503 13.5 6.7 1.2 1.5 2.1 1.1 .65
1.8 Jamal Murray Den 20 .500 12.9 4.4 3.0 .9 2.2 .5 .54
1.8 Buddy Hield NOP 20 .499 13.6 5.0 2.3 .6 1.5 .2 .57
1.2 Jaylen Brown Bos 16 .522 11.9 6.1 1.5 1.0 1.7 .5 .45
1.1 Andrew Harrison Mem 21 .464 9.6 3.2 4.8 1.4 2.0 .4 .37
1.0 Malcolm Delaney Atl 18 .459 9.9 3.4 5.2 1.1 2.6 .0 .34
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.0 Domantas Sabonis OkC 21 .478 9.5 6.3 1.8 .9 1.9 .8 .28
1.0 Caris LeVert Brk 21 .524 10.4 4.7 3.1 1.7 1.8 .2 .47
0.9 Pascal Siakam Tor 16 .517 9.3 7.8 .8 1.1 1.4 1.8 .43
0.9 Mi Kuzminskas NYK 14 .512 12.3 4.4 2.2 1.1 1.7 .4 .45
0.9 Davis Bertans SAS 11 .607 12.9 4.2 2.3 .9 1.4 1.1 .57
0.9 Juan Hernangomez Den 12 .591 10.6 7.8 1.2 1.2 1.2 .7 .59
0.9 Ivica Zubac LAL 14 .510 12.5 9.0 1.3 .8 1.9 2.2 .84
0.9 Rodney McGruder Mia 26 .507 8.6 4.7 2.0 .9 .9 .3 .21
0.7 Brandon Ingram LAL 28 .446 8.5 5.1 2.3 .6 1.7 .6 .14
0.6 Kris Dunn Min 17 .427 6.3 4.7 4.9 1.7 2.5 .9 .25
At their current rates, Brogdon would end up with the most Win Shares; McGruder should challenge Embiid for greatest VORP.
http://bkref.com/tiny/ekMFb
Re: Rookies 2016-17
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:33 pm
by Crow
Saric at #2 surprises. By winshares per 48 and other metrics he has been pretty awful (compared to league average performance).
Ingram is another big name / high pick disappointment.
Might be useful to see rating for first half season vs. second half to date. Performance in first half may be forgivable or disposable with the late season data available. But which is a better predictor of the future, full rookie season data or last half season?