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Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:13 am
by Crow
EWins and BPM vary on some individuals.
BPM has 15 better than -2. Not sure what the equivalent level is on EWins but only 15 are better than 0.7.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:18 pm
by Mike G
At 31% of the season, rookies total 56 projected eWins; West 38-18 East.
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
8.7 Chet Holmgren OKC 718 .627 20.5 9.5 2.3 1.0 2.3 3.2 1.71
7.9 V Wembanyama SAS 732 .515 17.4 12.8 2.3 1.7 4.0 3.5 1.59
4.3 Dereck Lively Dal 582 .719 13.2 10.8 1.2 1.1 1.7 2.2 1.09
4.1 Jaime Jaquez Mia 727 .601 15.9 4.9 3.0 1.3 2.1 .2 .86
4.0 Ausar Thompson Det 709 .506 10.4 10.8 2.3 1.2 2.3 1.6 .85
2.4 Marcus Sasser Det 420 .601 14.8 3.6 4.1 1.5 1.8 .3 .86
2.3 Br. Podziemski GSW 435 .543 12.0 8.0 3.5 1.3 2.3 .3 .82
2.3 Brandon Miller Cha 705 .534 13.1 4.6 1.9 .8 1.8 .6 .45
1.9 Jordan Hawkins NOP 632 .530 13.4 4.8 1.7 .5 1.2 .0 .49
1.9 Duop Reath Por 250 .551 16.5 6.5 2.2 1.4 1.4 .7 1.09
e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.8 Cason Wallace OKC 528 .702 12.4 3.5 1.8 1.0 .8 .7 .49
1.8 Keyonte George Uta 618 .492 11.8 4.2 5.3 .7 3.2 .2 .45
1.6 Craig Porter Cle 216 .569 16.5 4.6 4.7 1.4 2.4 1.0 1.10
1.5 Sasha Vezenkov Sac 297 .558 12.3 6.7 1.0 1.2 .8 .7 .70
1.4 Bilal Coulibaly Was 640 .625 10.7 5.2 1.5 1.5 2.2 .9 .33
1.1 Julian Strawther Den 330 .504 12.5 3.7 2.2 1.1 .8 .5 .55
1.1 Toumani Camara Por 636 .499 8.3 6.6 1.2 1.3 1.5 .7 .26
.9 Trayce J-Davis GSW 132 .588 13.8 8.8 1.9 1.3 2.1 2.3 1.01
.5 Anthony Black Orl 448 .561 8.8 4.9 2.4 .7 1.7 .6 .17
.4 Andre Jackson Mil 206 .724 9.8 6.1 2.4 .8 1.7 .0 .29
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... otals.html
The top 5 have furthered their separation from the rest of the pack, since previous update.
Victor has cut more than half his distance from Chet.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:34 pm
by Mike G
With 3/8 of the season completed, rookies are headed to 59 total eWins.
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
9.3 Chet Holmgren OKC .637 22.0 9.2 2.4 .9 2.1 3.3 1.82
7.1 Vi. Wembanyama SAS .521 18.1 12.3 2.5 1.6 3.9 3.9 1.59
4.4 Jaime Jaquez Mia .596 16.2 5.1 2.7 1.3 2.0 .4 .87
3.5 Dereck Lively Dal .711 13.0 10.5 1.3 .9 1.8 2.1 1.01
3.5 Ausar Thompson Det .501 10.0 10.6 2.3 1.3 2.2 1.5 .79
3.0 Br. Podziemski GSW .559 12.5 8.3 3.8 1.5 2.2 .3 .94
2.3 Craig Porter Cle .543 15.0 5.8 5.6 1.5 2.1 1.1 1.21
2.1 Brandon Miller Cha .540 13.6 4.4 1.8 .8 2.0 .6 .44
2.1 Duop Reath Por .577 18.0 7.3 1.9 1.4 1.5 .8 1.23
1.8 Marcus Sasser Det .593 14.1 3.7 3.6 1.4 1.9 .4 .71
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.8 Trayce J-Davis GSW .624 15.2 11.7 2.0 .9 1.9 2.2 1.35
1.8 Jordan Hawkins NOP .531 13.7 4.7 1.8 .5 1.2 .0 .51
1.5 Keyonte George Uta .483 11.7 4.2 5.4 .7 3.2 .2 .41
1.4 Cason Wallace OKC .644 11.0 3.4 2.0 1.0 .9 .7 .37
1.3 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .552 11.6 7.1 1.0 1.3 .9 .6 .66
1.2 Julian Strawther Den .499 13.2 3.8 2.1 1.2 1.1 .5 .57
1.1 Toumani Camara Por .497 8.0 7.1 1.1 1.4 1.6 .7 .27
1.1 Bilal Coulibaly Was .616 10.1 5.2 1.6 1.2 2.0 .9 .26
1.0 Anthony Black Orl .589 9.3 5.1 2.6 1.1 1.8 .7 .29
0.8 Scoot Henderson Por .457 12.6 3.8 5.0 .8 4.1 .3 .25
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:06 pm
by Crow
Reath is a surprise. Not a prospect in college, took long way around
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:08 pm
by Mike G
At 43.5% of the season. All with >150 min.
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
8.6 Chet Holmgren OKC .640 21.6 8.6 2.5 .9 2.2 3.1 1.69
7.3 Victor Wembanyama SAS .534 19.2 12.1 2.5 1.5 4.0 4.0 1.66
4.0 Jaime Jaquez Mia .588 15.6 4.7 2.7 1.4 2.0 .3 .78
3.5 Dereck Lively Dal .703 13.1 10.4 1.4 1.0 1.6 2.1 1.05
3.2 Br. Podziemski GSW .559 12.3 8.3 3.8 1.5 1.9 .3 .95
3.2 Ausar Thompson Det .493 9.4 10.6 2.3 1.3 2.2 1.5 .76
2.4 Trayce J-Davis GSW .667 16.7 11.2 2.0 .8 2.0 2.0 1.37
2.2 Craig Porter Cle .542 15.2 6.2 5.7 1.5 2.5 1.1 1.17
2.2 Duop Reath Por .584 17.5 8.1 1.8 1.2 1.8 .9 1.19
2.0 Brandon Miller Cha .527 13.3 4.5 1.8 .8 1.9 .6 .43
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.8 Jordan Hawkins NOP .532 14.3 4.7 1.8 .5 1.2 .2 .56
1.8 Marcus Sasser Det .601 14.6 3.8 3.8 1.4 1.8 .4 .78
1.7 Cason Wallace OKC .649 11.7 3.3 2.0 1.1 .8 .7 .45
1.5 Keyonte George Uta .499 12.4 4.3 5.0 .6 3.0 .1 .42
1.3 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .555 11.9 7.2 1.0 1.3 .9 .6 .70
1.2 Toumani Camara Por .495 7.9 7.3 1.1 1.5 1.7 .7 .29
1.1 Julian Strawther Den .496 12.7 3.9 2.2 1.2 1.2 .5 .54
.9 Bilal Coulibaly Was .578 9.3 5.1 1.6 1.3 2.0 1.0 .21
.8 Amen Thompson Hou .471 10.3 8.0 3.6 1.7 2.4 .3 .69
.7 Scoot Henderson Por .455 12.0 3.8 5.2 .7 4.1 .3 .21
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.6 Anthony Black Orl .567 8.6 4.8 2.6 1.1 1.8 .6 .18
.6 Nick Smith Cha .612 15.8 3.2 1.6 .3 1.7 1.1 .50
.5 Olivier-M Prosper Dal .464 8.7 8.3 2.4 .4 .7 .3 .54
.4 Kris Murray Por .470 6.8 6.0 1.5 2.4 .8 .5 .40
.3 Andre Jackson Mil .661 8.7 5.9 2.4 1.1 1.7 .0 .25
.2 Taylor Hendricks Uta .492 8.9 5.9 .8 1.6 1.6 1.2 .30
.1 Kobe Brown LAC .500 6.7 5.3 1.6 .7 .6 .4 .11
.1 Vasilije Micić OKC .407 6.1 1.8 6.8 1.2 2.3 .6 .10
-.2 Gradey Dick Tor .437 7.1 3.4 1.7 .9 1.8 .0 -.21
Rooks now looking at 58.5 total eWins on the year. W 41.5 - 17 E
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:56 pm
by Mike G
Halfway thru the season. Rookies w 200+ minutes:
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e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
8.6 Chet Holmgren OKC .631 21.4 8.3 2.7 .8 2.1 3.0 1.67
7.8 Victor Wembanyama SAS .545 21.1 12.2 2.6 1.4 4.0 3.9 1.83
4.1 Jaime Jaquez Mia .592 16.3 4.8 2.7 1.3 2.0 .3 .84
3.5 Dereck Lively Dal .716 13.3 10.8 1.4 1.0 1.7 1.9 1.08
3.1 Ausar Thompson Det .491 9.1 10.5 2.1 1.4 2.0 1.4 .76
3.0 Br. Podziemski GSW .545 11.5 8.1 3.6 1.4 1.8 .2 .86
2.6 Trayce J-Davis GSW .675 17.1 10.4 1.9 .9 1.8 2.0 1.39
2.4 Duop Reath Por .578 16.2 8.2 1.6 1.1 1.6 .9 1.10
2.3 Jordan Hawkins NOP .566 16.0 4.6 1.8 .6 1.2 .1 .70
2.0 Craig Porter Cle .543 15.0 5.8 5.4 1.4 2.4 1.0 1.11
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.8 Keyonte George Uta .511 13.3 4.3 5.0 .7 2.9 .1 .50
1.7 Brandon Miller Cha .516 12.8 4.4 1.9 .9 1.9 .6 .40
1.5 Cason Wallace OKC .629 11.0 3.5 1.8 1.1 .8 .8 .41
1.5 Marcus Sasser Det .575 13.0 3.6 4.1 1.3 1.9 .5 .64
1.4 Cam Whitmore Hou .587 21.2 7.2 .6 1.8 1.6 .3 1.40
1.2 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .563 12.2 7.2 .9 1.4 .9 .6 .73
1.2 Toumani Camara Por .497 7.8 7.3 1.1 1.4 1.7 .8 .28
1.1 Amen Thompson Hou .500 11.4 7.7 3.3 2.0 2.6 .5 .77
.9 Bilal Coulibaly Was .564 8.8 5.2 1.7 1.2 1.8 1.0 .22
.9 Julian Strawther Den .496 12.1 3.8 2.1 1.1 1.1 .4 .47
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.8 Scoot Henderson Por .446 12.0 4.1 5.0 .8 4.2 .3 .21
.6 Anthony Black Orl .560 8.5 4.7 2.5 1.2 1.8 .7 .21
.4 Kris Murray Por .481 7.5 5.2 1.4 2.3 1.1 .3 .33
.4 Olivier-M Prosper Dal .464 8.2 7.9 2.3 .4 .6 .3 .46
.4 Nick Smith Cha .545 12.7 3.8 1.9 .3 2.0 .7 .24
.4 Vasilije Micić OKC .517 9.0 2.0 5.9 1.1 1.8 .4 .33
.3 Andre Jackson Mil .629 7.8 6.5 2.3 .7 1.6 .3 .20
.0 Kobe Brown LAC .491 5.9 4.9 1.6 .7 .5 .4 .03
-.2 Gradey Dick Tor .447 6.9 3.1 2.1 1.0 1.8 .0 -.20
Total 60 projected wins on the year.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:57 pm
by Crow
A. Black not up to the hype, yet.
Vezenkov, Coulibaly, Camara not really either.
Micic doing better lately. Hoping for a trade?
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:12 pm
by Mike G
Thru 58% of the season, 87 rookies have appeared.
Those with 250+ minutes:
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
8.5 Chet Holmgren OKC .620 20.2 8.7 2.5 .8 2.0 3.1 1.66
8.2 V Wembanyama SAS .550 21.8 12.2 2.7 1.4 4.2 4.0 1.92
3.7 Dereck Lively Dal .715 12.9 10.8 1.3 1.0 1.6 1.9 1.10
3.3 Jaime Jaquez Mia .582 15.1 4.7 2.6 1.3 2.0 .3 .75
3.1 Ausar Thompson Det .506 9.3 10.1 2.0 1.4 2.0 1.4 .76
2.8 B Podziemski GSW .545 11.1 7.9 3.4 1.2 1.8 .2 .77
2.5 Duop Reath Por .588 16.0 8.1 1.8 1.0 1.5 .9 1.13
2.5 Trayce J-Davis GSW .663 16.1 10.5 1.7 .9 1.7 2.0 1.37
2.4 Brandon Miller Cha .535 13.9 4.4 1.9 .9 1.8 .5 .52
2.2 Cam Whitmore Hou .585 21.5 7.7 .6 1.3 1.2 .5 1.50
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.0 Jordan Hawkins NOP .559 14.7 4.8 1.7 .5 1.3 .1 .60
1.8 Craig Porter Cle .553 14.9 5.8 5.2 1.2 2.4 .9 1.07
1.7 Amen Thompson Hou .527 12.1 8.9 3.5 2.1 2.6 .7 1.03
1.7 Keyonte George Uta .519 13.3 4.1 4.6 .6 2.9 .1 .46
1.6 Marcus Sasser Det .581 13.6 3.4 4.1 1.2 1.9 .4 .69
1.6 Cason Wallace OKC .627 10.8 3.6 1.8 1.2 .8 .7 .44
1.3 Toumani Camara Por .498 7.7 7.5 1.2 1.6 1.7 .7 .33
1.2 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .574 12.4 7.2 .8 1.3 .9 .6 .75
1.1 Scoot Henderson Por .467 12.9 4.1 4.7 .8 4.0 .3 .30
.9 Gregory Jackson Mem .582 16.1 6.3 1.2 .8 1.3 1.2 .94
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.8 Bilal Coulibaly Was .558 8.8 4.8 1.6 1.2 1.8 1.1 .19
.8 Anthony Black Orl .579 9.1 4.6 2.4 1.0 1.6 .7 .24
.7 Julian Strawther Den .496 11.8 3.7 2.0 1.1 1.1 .4 .45
.4 Andre Jackson Mil .655 7.8 6.5 2.1 .8 1.4 .3 .23
.2 Kris Murray Por .461 6.6 5.2 1.2 2.1 1.3 .5 .19
.2 Ben Sheppard Ind .477 6.5 4.5 1.9 1.7 .6 .0 .21
.1 Vasilije Micić OKC .503 8.6 2.2 5.3 1.0 2.4 .3 .13
.1 Nick Smith Cha .547 11.4 3.4 1.8 .3 2.0 .5 .07
.0 Kobe Brown LAC .467 5.2 5.2 1.6 .7 .6 .4 -.04
.0 Gradey Dick Tor .473 7.4 3.8 2.1 1.1 1.6 .0 -.03
Total is 61 projected eWins for the year. West 44.6 - 16.3 East
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:13 pm
by Crow
I ranked G Dick pretty high on draft board but not N Smith or B Sheppard at all.
Clippers presumably bought into Kobe Brown partially based on 45% from 3 last season, over the 3 prior seasons of 25% and under. 29% so far this season.
A scout hired by NBA team last fall:
"8.29 - Ben Sheppard, Belmont
Belmont wing Ben Sheppard is definitely my kind of guy."
7.18 - Nick Smith, Arkansas
"...I’d expect the offensive production to be much more positive than it’s getting made out to be."
"3.5 - Anthony Black, Arkansas"
Still 22nd here.
23rd on my draft board.
Jackson-Davis, 57th in draft. 42nd to this new scout. 8th on performance to date here. Higher on BPM. 2nd on my draft board.
Podziemski, 19th in draft. 38th to new scout. 11th to me. 6th on performance to date here.
Jaquez, 18th in draft. 31st to new scout. 4th to me. 4th on performance here.
Cissoko taken 37th. 18th to new scout. Not in my top 60. 44th in draft class on BPM of 52 who have played. Tiny minutes but that can speak to quality / readiness. Similar story with Whitehead. And Hood-Schfino.
Scoot Henderson, drafted 2nd, 2nd to new scout. 15th to me. 19th on performance here. 41st on BPM.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:44 pm
by Mike G
Season at 64%. Listing all who have played 300 min.
Code: Select all
e82 per36 tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
8.5 Holmgren OKC .626 21.1 8.8 2.5 .8 2.0 3.1 1.66
7.7 Wembanyama SAS .550 22.3 12.3 2.8 1.5 4.4 3.9 1.80
3.4 Lively Dal .715 13.8 10.8 1.3 1.0 1.6 1.9 1.12
3.3 Jaquez Mia .574 15.4 4.8 2.6 1.4 2.0 .3 .73
3.2 Podziemski GSW .532 11.2 8.1 3.7 1.2 1.6 .2 .82
3.2 B Miller Cha .548 15.7 4.6 1.9 1.0 1.9 .6 .67
3.1 Au Thompson Det .508 9.7 10.1 2.0 1.6 2.0 1.4 .77
2.6 Reath Por .601 17.1 8.0 1.8 1.0 1.5 .9 1.18
2.5 Whitmore Hou .584 23.5 7.4 .7 1.3 1.5 .4 1.57
2.4 J-Davis GSW .663 17.4 10.9 1.7 .9 1.8 2.1 1.43
e82 per36 tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.1 Am Thompson Hou .541 13.1 9.7 3.6 1.9 2.8 .8 1.07
1.9 Sasser Det .600 15.2 3.4 4.3 1.2 2.0 .4 .77
1.9 J Hawkins NOP .553 15.1 4.7 1.7 .6 1.3 .1 .61
1.8 K George Uta .527 14.1 4.3 4.6 .6 2.9 .1 .48
1.7 Wallace OKC .630 11.7 3.5 1.7 1.2 .8 .7 .46
1.6 C Porter Cle .551 15.3 5.9 5.2 1.2 2.4 .9 1.02
1.4 Camara Por .505 8.2 7.5 1.1 1.6 1.7 .7 .34
1.2 G Jackson Mem .553 16.9 6.4 1.2 1.1 1.5 1.1 .98
1.1 Vezenkov Sac .571 12.9 7.0 .8 1.3 .8 .5 .77
1.1 Henderson Por .473 13.6 4.3 4.7 .8 4.0 .3 .31
e82 per36 tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.7 Strawther Den .494 12.2 3.9 2.0 1.2 1.2 .4 .46
.7 A Black Orl .576 9.4 4.7 2.4 1.0 1.7 .7 .24
.6 Coulibaly Was .552 9.1 4.8 1.6 1.2 1.9 1.0 .14
.3 K Murray Por .496 7.4 5.2 1.4 2.0 1.3 .6 .23
.3 A Jackson Mil .621 7.5 6.4 2.1 .9 1.5 .3 .19
.3 G Dick Tor .521 9.6 3.8 2.0 1.2 1.4 .0 .17
.2 N Smith Cha .532 11.5 3.2 1.9 .5 1.9 .4 .10
.2 Sheppard Ind .483 7.1 4.1 1.7 1.5 .6 .1 .16
-.0 Micić OKC .493 8.1 2.2 5.5 .9 2.7 .3 -.04
-.3 Mensah Cha .485 2.7 7.1 .7 .7 1.5 1.5 -.25
63.3 total projected eWins
Risers and fallers in the last 9 days:
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e484+ rookies pos tm
.15 Brandon Miller SF Cha
.08 Marcus Sasser PG Det
.07 Cam Whitmore SF Hou
.06 Trayce J-Davis PF GSW
.05 Brandin Podziemski SG GSW
.05 Duop Reath C Por
.04 Amen Thompson SF Hou
.04 GG Jackson PF Mem
.02 Cason Wallace SG OKC
.02 Sasha Vezenkov PF Sac
.02 Keyonte George PG Uta
.02 Dereck Lively C Dal
.01 Scoot Henderson PG Por
.01 Julian Strawther SF Den
.01 Toumani Camara PF Por
.01 Jordan Hawkins SG NOP
.01 Ausar Thompson SF Det
-.00 Anthony Black PG Orl
-.00 Chet Holmgren C OKC
-.02 Jaime Jaquez SF Mia
-.04 Andre Jackson SG Mil
-.05 Craig Porter PG Cle
-.05 Bilal Coulibaly SF Was
-.12 Victor Wembanyama C SAS
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:25 pm
by Mike G
With the season at 76%, rookies total 67 projected eWins. West 49-18 East.
30 have played at least 360 minutes:
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
9.1 Chet Holmgren OKC .635 21.0 9.0 2.6 .8 2.0 3.1 1.75
8.6 V Wembanyama SAS .560 22.1 12.5 3.2 1.7 4.4 4.4 1.97
3.6 Dereck Lively Dal .715 13.3 10.3 1.3 1.1 1.4 2.1 1.20
3.5 Ausar Thompson Det .520 9.9 9.3 2.0 1.6 1.9 1.4 .81
3.5 Brandon Miller Cha .544 15.8 4.6 2.0 1.1 2.1 .6 .71
3.2 Jaime Jaquez Mia .570 14.5 5.0 2.6 1.3 1.9 .2 .71
3.1 Br Podziemski GSW .532 10.9 7.8 4.0 1.2 1.7 .2 .77
3.0 Duop Reath Por .582 16.7 8.1 1.6 1.1 1.6 1.2 1.24
3.0 Trayce J-Davis GSW .680 18.2 10.8 1.9 .8 1.6 2.3 1.65
2.6 Cam Whitmore Hou .565 22.1 7.4 .8 1.2 1.9 .5 1.47
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.6 Amen Thompson Hou .527 12.0 10.1 3.3 2.1 2.6 1.1 1.11
1.9 Toumani Camara Por .521 8.9 7.9 1.3 1.5 1.8 .7 .48
1.8 Cason Wallace OKC .621 11.4 3.7 1.8 1.4 .8 .7 .53
1.8 Jordan Hawkins NOP .539 14.7 4.7 1.7 .5 1.2 .2 .61
1.4 Keyonte George Uta .531 13.7 4.1 4.7 .7 2.9 .1 .37
1.4 Craig Porter Cle .548 14.6 6.1 5.4 1.3 2.3 .8 .97
1.4 Marcus Sasser Det .562 13.1 3.3 4.7 1.3 2.1 .3 .58
1.4 GG Jackson Mem .535 16.3 6.1 1.0 .8 1.8 1.0 .82
1.1 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .571 13.3 7.1 .9 1.3 .9 .5 .88
.8 Anthony Black Orl .565 9.3 5.0 2.4 1.1 1.7 .6 .28
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.8 Scoot Henderson Por .477 13.1 4.2 4.9 .8 3.9 .3 .23
.7 Ta Hendricks Uta .551 9.8 8.4 .9 1.2 1.5 1.1 .61
.7 Gradey Dick Tor .563 11.5 3.9 1.6 1.1 1.3 .0 .34
.6 Ju Strawther Den .485 11.9 3.7 2.2 1.1 1.2 .5 .48
.6 Ben Sheppard Ind .565 9.7 4.4 1.5 1.5 .5 .1 .49
.5 Kris Murray Por .483 7.4 5.8 1.6 1.9 1.4 .4 .29
.5 Bilal Coulibaly Was .533 8.4 4.9 1.6 1.1 1.8 1.0 .11
.4 Andre Jackson Mil .615 7.5 6.5 2.4 .9 1.5 .3 .28
.2 Nick Smith Cha .532 11.7 3.2 2.0 .5 1.9 .4 .11
-.2 Vasilije Micić OKC .493 7.8 2.2 5.7 .9 2.8 .3 -.16
Other than the dueling #1's , this year is not a strong one for rookies.
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yr eWin rookie tm
2023 5.9 Paolo Banchero Orl
2023 5.5 Walker Kessler Uta
2023 4.6 Jalen Williams OKC
2023 62.3 total
2022 5.9 Scottie Barnes Tor
2022 5.8 Evan Mobley Cle
2022 4.8 Franz Wagner Orl
2022 4.1 Cade Cunningham Det
2022 83 total
2021 4.1 Anthony Edwards Min
2021 3.9 LaMelo Ball Cha
2021 3.8 Isaiah Stewart Det
2021 72 total
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:51 am
by Crow
Top 3 are centers and 5 of first 9.
First PG is 13th or 15th, depending on position assessment.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:11 pm
by Mike G
Season at 87% and rookies projecting to 70 eWins total.
Those with 400+ minutes:
Code: Select all
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
9.2 Chet Holmgren OKC .629 20.3 9.3 2.3 .8 1.9 2.9 1.79
8.8 V Wembanyama SAS .555 22.0 12.8 3.0 1.6 4.5 4.3 2.03
4.0 Dereck Lively Dal .723 14.1 10.6 1.2 1.1 1.5 2.1 1.35
3.7 Brandon Miller Cha .536 15.7 4.8 1.8 1.1 2.0 .6 .75
3.4 Trayce J-Davis GSW .685 17.4 10.6 1.8 .9 1.5 2.4 1.66
3.4 Amen Thompson Hou .558 13.7 10.3 2.9 2.0 2.4 1.1 1.29
3.1 Ausar Thompson Det .515 9.9 9.4 1.8 1.7 1.9 1.3 .83
3.1 Jaime Jaquez Mia .560 13.9 4.9 2.4 1.3 1.8 .3 .68
3.0 Duop Reath Por .586 16.4 7.6 1.4 1.0 1.7 1.1 1.19
2.9 Br Podziemski GSW .531 10.5 7.7 3.6 1.2 1.7 .3 .70
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.4 Cam Whitmore Hou .561 21.5 7.5 .7 1.1 1.8 .6 1.48
2.0 GG Jackson Mem .558 17.9 5.8 1.1 .7 1.8 .8 .95
2.0 Toumani Camara Por .533 9.1 7.7 1.3 1.4 1.7 .7 .48
1.8 Cason Wallace OKC .614 11.2 3.8 1.7 1.5 .9 .8 .52
1.6 Jordan Hawkins NOP .533 14.4 4.6 1.6 .5 1.2 .2 .60
1.3 Craig Porter Cle .559 14.8 6.0 4.8 1.1 2.4 .8 .90
1.3 Keyonte George Uta .528 13.9 4.1 4.2 .7 3.1 .1 .33
1.1 Marcus Sasser Det .549 12.3 3.4 4.2 1.2 2.2 .3 .43
1.0 Sasha Vezenkov Sac .571 13.3 7.0 .8 1.3 .9 .5 .90
.9 Scoot Henderson Por .476 13.5 4.3 4.6 .9 4.0 .3 .27
e82 per36 rates tm Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.9 Taylor Hendricks Uta .542 9.4 8.5 .7 1.0 1.2 1.4 .65
.7 Kris Murray Por .482 7.8 6.1 1.6 1.6 1.4 .6 .31
.6 Anthony Black Orl .545 8.8 5.0 2.2 1.1 1.7 .7 .23
.6 Julian Strawther Den .490 12.2 3.7 2.0 1.1 1.3 .5 .48
.6 Bilal Coulibaly Was .535 8.6 4.9 1.5 1.2 1.8 1.0 .14
.5 Ben Sheppard Ind .550 9.0 4.1 1.4 1.4 .5 .1 .35
.5 Gradey Dick Tor .536 11.0 3.7 1.6 1.0 1.5 .1 .22
.5 Jalen Wilson Brk .535 9.7 6.6 2.0 .5 1.0 .1 .42
.4 Andre Jackson Mil .619 7.4 6.9 2.3 .9 1.6 .3 .29
.3 * Vasilije Micić Cha .551 13.2 2.8 5.0 1.0 3.2 .2 .24
.1 Nick Smith Cha .511 10.9 3.2 1.9 .5 1.9 .4 .05
* - Micic was -.22 eW/484 with OKC; these are just his Hornets rates.
Using the b-r.com
qualifying cutoff of ~1300 minutes, Wemby is 10th in the league in eW/484, 14th in PER, 19th in BPM, and (gulp) #137 in WS/48 -- of 188 qualified.
Holmgren is 18th in WS/48, 22nd in eW/484, 23rd in BPM, 24th in PER.
The wide gap in WS is almost certainly due to their being on nearly-worst vs nearly-best team in the league.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... anced.html
Co-ROY have been chosen in 2000 (Francis and Brand) and 1995 (Hill and Kidd).
Previous ROY whose WS/48 were less than .080, none from winning teams:
Code: Select all
year ROY tm W-L PER WS/48 BPM
2024 ? Wemby ? SAS 16-56 22.6 .074 4.4
2023 Banchero Orl 34-48 14.9 .047 -1.5
2015 A Wiggins Min 16-66 13.9 .034 -2.4
2014 M C-Williams Phl 19-63 15.5 .026 -0.5
2009 D Rose Chi 41-41 16.0 .078 -0.4
2008 K Durant Sea 20-62 15.8 .040 -0.1
2004 L James Cle 35-47 18.3 .078 1.7
1997 A Iverson Phl 22-60 14.1 .032 -2.2
1996 D Stoudamire Tor 21-61 16.7 .072 0.1
1995 J Kidd Dal 36-46 15.1 .066 1.2
1973 B McAdoo Buf 21-61 16.8 .071
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/roy.html
Wembanyama is only 3rd or 4th on the Spurs in Win Shares but leads in VORP by a wide margin.
He has 3.0, and the rest of the team totals -1.1
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:48 pm
by Mike G
Using alternative "advanced" stats from b-r.com, converting to "wins".
xyz is the avg of the last 3 columns.
Code: Select all
xyzW rookie Tm min PER WS/48 BPM pW WS bW
7.6 Holmgren OKC 2327 20.2 .164 3.1 7.4 8.0 7.6
6.4 Wembanyama SAS 2039 23.1 .076 5.2 7.8 3.2 8.3
3.8 Jax-Davis GSW 1036 21.9 .198 2.9 3.7 4.3 3.3
3.7 Lively Dal 1294 18.1 .178 0.5 3.5 4.8 2.9
3.4 Podziemski GSW 1870 12.9 .092 -0.1 2.9 3.6 3.8
3.3 AmThompson Hou 1240 17.6 .135 1.5 3.2 3.5 3.3
3.0 Wallace OKC 1614 12.0 .106 -0.2 2.2 3.6 3.2
3.0 Jaquez Mia 2008 12.7 .081 -2.1 3.1 3.4 2.5
2.1 Miller Cha 2301 12.8 .011 -2.7 3.6 .5 2.3
2.1 Reath Por 1144 14.7 .089 -1.2 2.3 2.1 1.8
xyzW rookie Tm min PER WS/48 BPM pW WS bW
2.0 AuThompson Det 1583 12.8 .051 -2.2 2.5 1.7 1.9
1.8 Camara Por 1739 10.6 .054 -3.1 1.9 2.0 1.5
1.6 Whitmore Hou 786 16.8 .075 0.1 1.9 1.2 1.6
1.4 Porter Cle 638 15.4 .099 0.4 1.4 1.3 1.4
1.4 Jackson Mem 1085 13.3 .045 -2.3 1.8 1.0 1.2
1.2 Sasser Det 1228 11.5 .033 -2.7 1.6 .8 1.2
1.2 Hawkins NOP 1158 10.4 .055 -2.9 1.2 1.3 1.1
1.1 Black Orl 1135 8.4 .067 -2.9 .7 1.6 1.0
0.9 Vezenkov Sac 489 13.8 .101 -0.6 .9 1.0 .9
0.9 Hendricks Uta 752 11.1 .056 -2.5 .9 .9 .8
xyzW rookie Tm min PER WS/48 BPM pW WS bW
0.8 George Uta 1911 10.4 -.008 -4.4 2.0 -.3 .6
0.7 Coulibaly Was 1715 8.9 .010 -4.2 1.2 .4 .7
0.7 Murray Por 1180 9.1 .023 -3.5 .9 .6 .8
0.7 Micić OkCha 1102 11.2 .021 -4.3 1.3 .5 .4
0.7 Wilson Brk 580 11.0 .079 -2.7 .7 1.0 .6
0.6 Jackson Mil 542 8.9 .086 -3.4 .4 1.0 .4
0.5 Sheppard Ind 747 8.1 .047 -3.5 .4 .7 .5
0.5 Walker Ind 328 11.3 .049 0.0 .4 .3 .7
0.4 Jemison MeWas 434 12.3 .073 -5.3 .6 .7 .0
0.4 Evbuomwan DetMem 367 9.8 .070 -3.0 .3 .5 .3
xyzW rookie Tm min PER WS/48 BPM pW WS bW
0.3 Dick Tor 1174 8.9 .008 -5.6 .8 .2 -.2
0.2 Strawther Den 542 8.7 .020 -5.7 .4 .2 -.1
0.1 Brown LAC 308 6.5 .044 -4.3 .1 .3 .1
0.1 Phillips Chi 323 7.0 .029 -5.3 .1 .2 .0
0.0 Rupert Por 505 6.6 .005 -6.3 .1 .1 -.2
-0.1 Sensabaugh Uta 490 8.0 -.036 -5.8 .2 -.4 -.1
-0.1 Mensah Cha 307 5.1 .024 -8.9 .0 .2 -.4
-0.2 Smith Cha 663 7.4 -.042 -6.2 .2 -.6 -.2
-0.4 Henderson Por 1652 9.2 -.051 -6.2 1.3 -1.8 -.6
These are all with 300+ minutes, with 3-4 games to go.
Re: Rookies 2024
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:51 am
by Mike G
All with 100+ minutes.
Code: Select all
eW per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
9.1 Vi Wembanyama SAS 2106 .556 22.5 12.6 3.1 1.6 4.4 4.3 2.09
8.6 Chet Holmgren OKC 2413 .622 20.1 9.6 2.1 .8 2.0 2.8 1.73
3.9 Amen Thompson Hou 1388 .565 14.2 10.7 3.1 2.0 2.3 1.0 1.36
3.9 Trayce J-Davis GSW 1130 .678 17.6 10.9 1.8 .9 1.6 2.4 1.66
3.8 Brandon Miller Cha 2383 .547 16.5 4.7 1.8 1.1 2.0 .6 .78
3.4 Dereck Lively Dal 1294 .718 14.1 10.4 1.2 1.1 1.4 2.1 1.28
3.2 Jaime Jaquez Mia 2113 .567 14.6 5.0 2.5 1.3 1.9 .3 .73
3.1 Br Podziemski GSW 1968 .536 10.9 7.8 3.5 1.1 1.6 .3 .76
2.9 Duop Reath Por 1214 .566 16.4 7.8 1.4 1.0 1.5 1.1 1.16
2.7 Cam Whitmore Hou 880 .554 21.6 7.4 1.0 1.2 1.9 .7 1.49
eW 11-20 tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
2.5 Ausar Thompson Det 1583 .515 10.3 9.3 1.8 1.6 1.9 1.3 .78
2.5 GG Jackson Mem 1233 .547 18.3 5.9 1.3 .8 1.9 .7 .99
1.9 Cason Wallace OKC 1692 .609 11.7 3.9 1.8 1.6 1.0 .8 .55
1.7 Toumani Camara Por 1739 .541 9.5 7.5 1.3 1.4 1.7 .7 .46
1.5 Jordan Hawkins NOP 1160 .528 14.6 4.6 1.6 .6 1.2 .2 .62
1.4 Keyonte George Uta 2023 .526 14.1 3.9 4.0 .7 3.3 .1 .33
1.4 Scoot Henderson Por 1765 .483 14.3 4.2 4.8 1.0 4.3 .3 .37
1.3 Marcus Sasser Det 1351 .538 13.0 3.4 4.2 1.2 2.4 .3 .48
1.3 Craig Porter Cle 649 .557 14.9 6.2 4.8 1.2 2.5 .8 .96
1.2 T Hendricks Uta 856 .574 10.6 8.0 .9 1.2 1.1 1.3 .67
eW 21-30 tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
1.0 Sasha Vezenkov Sac 511 .567 14.3 7.0 .9 1.4 .8 .5 .97
.8 Ricky Council Phl 289 .586 20.6 5.7 1.5 .9 .6 .1 1.41
.8 Kris Murray Por 1348 .477 8.0 6.3 1.5 1.5 1.5 .6 .29
.7 Gradey Dick Tor 1268 .542 12.2 3.7 1.3 .9 1.4 .1 .26
.7 Jalen Wilson Brk 664 .530 10.2 7.2 1.7 .6 1.0 .2 .48
.6 Bilal Coulibaly Was 1715 .535 9.0 5.1 1.5 1.2 1.8 1.0 .18
.6 Trey Jemison Mem 572 .576 10.0 8.6 1.2 .8 2.1 1.8 .50
.6 Noah Clowney Brk 370 .616 12.6 8.0 1.3 .8 1.5 1.6 .77
.5 Ju Strawther Den 545 .478 12.8 4.1 2.2 1.1 1.5 .5 .47
.5 O-Max Prosper Dal 336 .486 10.5 8.4 1.6 .8 .9 .4 .73
eW 31-40 tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.5 Ma Beauchamp Mil 608 .586 11.5 5.9 1.3 .7 1.6 .4 .38
.5 Vasilije Micić Cha 815 .526 11.9 2.8 5.5 1.1 3.1 .2 .28
.5 Gui Santos GSW 192 .646 15.2 9.2 1.8 .8 1.3 .4 1.15
.4 Jarace Walker Ind 340 .524 10.3 6.9 2.7 1.6 1.8 1.2 .63
.4 Anthony Black Orl 1164 .551 9.2 4.8 2.1 1.1 1.7 .6 .18
.4 Ben Sheppard Ind 814 .521 9.0 4.1 1.5 1.4 .7 .1 .24
.4 Br Sensabaugh Uta 584 .505 11.8 6.5 2.3 .8 2.9 .4 .33
.4 Tr Vukcevic Was 153 .545 16.3 8.0 1.9 1.2 2.4 1.6 1.13
.3 Javon F-Liberty Tor 403 .539 11.5 6.2 2.4 .9 2.2 .4 .39
.3 Mã Pereira Mem 122 .600 13.5 11.2 .4 1.8 1.5 1.2 1.21
eW 41-50 tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.3 Nick Smith Cha 729 .509 12.1 3.5 2.0 .5 1.9 .3 .18
.2 Co Gillespie Den 225 .580 13.5 3.4 3.0 2.0 2.2 .0 .52
.2 Leaky Black Cha 284 .580 7.7 6.0 2.0 1.1 .8 1.4 .39
.2 Kobe Bufkin Atl 196 .422 10.4 6.1 3.4 1.3 1.8 .9 .56
.2 To Evbuomwan Det 293 .664 10.7 5.7 .8 .8 1.0 .5 .37
.2 Jules Bernard Was 149 .540 14.4 6.0 2.4 .7 1.9 .2 .71
.2 Colby Jones Sac 192 .418 8.8 7.8 2.6 1.3 1.9 .9 .52
.2 Sidy Cissoko SAS 141 .556 9.9 5.5 1.7 1.8 .8 .8 .57
.1 Kobe Brown LAC 394 .489 6.8 5.7 1.6 1.0 .8 .5 .17
.1 Jalen Pickett Den 122 .568 11.9 4.2 4.3 1.1 2.6 .0 .36
eW 51-61 tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast Stl TO Blk e484
.0 Ibou Badji Por 226 .607 5.1 8.6 1.5 .5 2.4 3.2 .10
.0 Matthew Hurt Mem 113 .451 8.0 5.2 .9 1.0 .6 1.0 .21
.0 Julian Phillips Chi 323 .514 8.5 4.1 1.0 .8 1.1 .8 .01
-.0 Rayan Rupert Por 633 .447 6.8 5.5 2.5 .7 1.8 .2 -.01
-.0 Onuralp Bitim Chi 268 .462 8.6 4.4 1.2 .4 1.3 .3 -.07
-.0 Mo Gueye Tor 120 .306 4.5 6.9 1.0 .9 3.6 5.4 -.20
-.1 Emoni Bates Cle 133 .402 8.4 3.9 2.0 .3 2.2 .5 -.21
-.1 Ja H-Schifino LAL 109 .309 6.7 4.4 1.8 1.0 3.0 .7 -.36
-.1 Timmy Allen Mem 125 .271 2.1 5.0 1.1 1.2 .6 .0 -.38
-.1 Nathan Mensah Cha 307 .485 3.0 7.6 .7 .8 1.6 1.6 -.22
-.3 Maxwell Lewis LAL 103 .244 2.0 1.4 1.4 .7 3.5 .3 -1.27
Rookies totaled 75.5 eWins