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Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:07 am
by AcrossTheCourt
DSMok1 wrote:Mike G wrote:I see Magic and Bird are a lot closer together now. Presumably the effect of the Celtics' relatively tougher path to the Finals most of those years.
That's quite an admirable contribution, to include playoff SOS. Odd that b-r.com doesn't do this.
Can't quite wrap my head around Wilt having a greater playoff rating than Russell or Duncan.
He played a few more minutes than Russ, with .200 WS/48 vs .178 for Russell.
Does
winning the Finals get any more consideration than
just getting there?
Wilt vs Duncan: Duncan has .197 WS/48 in playoffs, with 20% more minutes and several more titles.
PER: Duncan 24.6 - 22.7 Wilt.
http://bkref.com/tiny/2Qlxm
In Wilt's time, playoffs were less exclusive; consequently the competition was diluted, and players got more playoff minutes per year, on avg.
This means '60s playoff totals are already inflated, relative to later eras. Is there any reason at all to puff them up further?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9048&start=44
P.S: Erving has dropped, and Gilmore is gone. Did you devalue the ABA?
I'll look into the Wilt playoff effect; I'm not sure exactly what's going on. Winning the finals does not have any greater effect than getting there; all "Finals" production is weighted the same. I did adjust for the playoff roads, so that's not it. I think Wilt's minutes in the playoffs were in general in higher-leverage rounds, since there was no first round back then. If you'll remember, I'm weighting the 4 rounds currently at 1-2-3-4, with finals production x4 and first round at x1.
I ran a full era adjustment for everything, which helps the 1960s and 1980s and hurts the 1970s and particularly the ABA. Here's the adjustment chart:
It's very interesting. This looks at all players near their peak that played in both seasons, and sees whether they perform better in the first or second season, adjusted for aging. Statistically, there is a fair amount of error possible, not in the overall shape of the adjustment curve, but in the overall slope--in other words, it is quite possible the left end of the line should be moved up or down a point or two do to some slight systematic bias. So take it with a grain of salt.
Can I see the numbers used to create the graph? Just the (x,y) data, not what created them. I want to plot them against other stuff.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:29 pm
by DSMok1
Here's the data for that graph:
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║ year_id ║ prior_year ║ lg_id ║ prior_lg ║ Delta ║ count ║ mp ║ Era_Adjust ║
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║ 2016 ║ 2015 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.179928195 ║ 59 ║ 41592.78 ║ 0.17992819 ║
║ 2015 ║ 2014 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.02213713 ║ 171 ║ 282397.79 ║ 0.20206532 ║
║ 2014 ║ 2013 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.136256101 ║ 164 ║ 278065.91 ║ 0.33832143 ║
║ 2013 ║ 2012 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.368983099 ║ 152 ║ 228771.3 ║ -0.03066167 ║
║ 2012 ║ 2011 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.182081425 ║ 156 ║ 227675.59 ║ 0.15141975 ║
║ 2011 ║ 2010 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.248615969 ║ 150 ║ 257636.62 ║ -0.09719622 ║
║ 2010 ║ 2009 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.171912572 ║ 142 ║ 251089 ║ -0.26910879 ║
║ 2009 ║ 2008 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.111324367 ║ 145 ║ 259758.81 ║ -0.15778442 ║
║ 2008 ║ 2007 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.269157694 ║ 149 ║ 265986.95 ║ -0.42694212 ║
║ 2007 ║ 2006 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.024296116 ║ 150 ║ 264122.22 ║ -0.45123823 ║
║ 2006 ║ 2005 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.201817011 ║ 159 ║ 288764.85 ║ -0.65305524 ║
║ 2005 ║ 2004 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.005377855 ║ 158 ║ 274114.34 ║ -0.64767739 ║
║ 2004 ║ 2003 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.165129669 ║ 144 ║ 244919.58 ║ -0.48254772 ║
║ 2003 ║ 2002 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.15506659 ║ 135 ║ 243188.43 ║ -0.32748113 ║
║ 2002 ║ 2001 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.047672498 ║ 131 ║ 229672.91 ║ -0.37515363 ║
║ 2001 ║ 2000 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.208068376 ║ 130 ║ 228822.27 ║ -0.16708525 ║
║ 2000 ║ 1999 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.12266852 ║ 124 ║ 169128.02 ║ -0.04441673 ║
║ 1999 ║ 1998 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.046114591 ║ 120 ║ 161103.31 ║ -0.09053132 ║
║ 1998 ║ 1997 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.070462327 ║ 140 ║ 234960.48 ║ -0.16099365 ║
║ 1997 ║ 1996 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.108277303 ║ 150 ║ 245427.69 ║ -0.26927095 ║
║ 1996 ║ 1995 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.118545487 ║ 147 ║ 262837.96 ║ -0.15072547 ║
║ 1995 ║ 1994 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.102692643 ║ 157 ║ 269108.97 ║ -0.04803282 ║
║ 1994 ║ 1993 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.195894108 ║ 141 ║ 253685.74 ║ 0.14786128 ║
║ 1993 ║ 1992 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.047106158 ║ 156 ║ 286715.15 ║ 0.19496744 ║
║ 1992 ║ 1991 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.029273292 ║ 148 ║ 276760.62 ║ 0.16569415 ║
║ 1991 ║ 1990 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.132123866 ║ 149 ║ 291035.75 ║ 0.29781802 ║
║ 1990 ║ 1989 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.287360191 ║ 143 ║ 267520.18 ║ 0.58517821 ║
║ 1989 ║ 1988 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.09088572 ║ 145 ║ 266858.84 ║ 0.67606393 ║
║ 1988 ║ 1987 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.095395793 ║ 141 ║ 254616.66 ║ 0.77145972 ║
║ 1987 ║ 1986 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.126613317 ║ 132 ║ 238608.56 ║ 0.64484641 ║
║ 1986 ║ 1985 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.089103655 ║ 142 ║ 250336.39 ║ 0.73395006 ║
║ 1985 ║ 1984 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.000657749 ║ 145 ║ 265010.04 ║ 0.73460781 ║
║ 1984 ║ 1983 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.20847637 ║ 145 ║ 273313.7 ║ 0.52613144 ║
║ 1983 ║ 1982 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.145074946 ║ 140 ║ 257253.43 ║ 0.38105649 ║
║ 1982 ║ 1981 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.237341178 ║ 142 ║ 257880.94 ║ 0.14371532 ║
║ 1981 ║ 1980 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.043525139 ║ 125 ║ 229202.56 ║ 0.10019018 ║
║ 1980 ║ 1979 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.316820427 ║ 119 ║ 226451.18 ║ -0.21663025 ║
║ 1979 ║ 1978 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.139228222 ║ 120 ║ 222540.7 ║ -0.35585847 ║
║ 1978 ║ 1977 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.189641986 ║ 137 ║ 251416.9 ║ -0.54550046 ║
║ 1977 ║ 1976 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.339710426 ║ 96 ║ 181325.61 ║ -0.88521089 ║
║ 1976 ║ 1975 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.096859655 ║ 105 ║ 193057.66 ║ -0.98207054 ║
║ 1975 ║ 1974 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.125312573 ║ 96 ║ 177916.89 ║ -0.85675797 ║
║ 1974 ║ 1973 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.233638102 ║ 98 ║ 185988.77 ║ -0.62311987 ║
║ 1973 ║ 1972 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.016262048 ║ 93 ║ 182406.76 ║ -0.63938191 ║
║ 1972 ║ 1971 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.145387313 ║ 88 ║ 172540.31 ║ -0.78476923 ║
║ 1971 ║ 1970 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.341081801 ║ 86 ║ 165304.77 ║ -0.44368743 ║
║ 1970 ║ 1969 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.330949853 ║ 74 ║ 150161.26 ║ -0.11273757 ║
║ 1969 ║ 1968 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.23102016 ║ 74 ║ 146026.83 ║ 0.11828259 ║
║ 1968 ║ 1967 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.567412833 ║ 55 ║ 114899.35 ║ 0.68569542 ║
║ 1967 ║ 1966 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.190590374 ║ 55 ║ 102406.83 ║ 0.87628579 ║
║ 1966 ║ 1965 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.100593751 ║ 54 ║ 107683.66 ║ 0.97687954 ║
║ 1965 ║ 1964 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.08459733 ║ 52 ║ 100043.43 ║ 0.89228221 ║
║ 1964 ║ 1963 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.172879124 ║ 48 ║ 94237.52 ║ 0.71940309 ║
║ 1963 ║ 1962 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.191201205 ║ 43 ║ 86743.84 ║ 0.52820189 ║
║ 1962 ║ 1961 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.560164898 ║ 43 ║ 90132.34 ║ 1.08836678 ║
║ 1961 ║ 1960 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.255878583 ║ 48 ║ 92419.75 ║ 0.8324882 ║
║ 1960 ║ 1959 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.265473921 ║ 46 ║ 82958.4 ║ 0.56701428 ║
║ 1959 ║ 1958 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.118332677 ║ 39 ║ 67751.65 ║ 0.4486816 ║
║ 1958 ║ 1957 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.128644648 ║ 45 ║ 80237.24 ║ 0.57732625 ║
║ 1957 ║ 1956 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.041246603 ║ 41 ║ 73335.41 ║ 0.53607965 ║
║ 1956 ║ 1955 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ 0.180028213 ║ 33 ║ 67782.55 ║ 0.71610786 ║
║ 1955 ║ 1954 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.660802772 ║ 40 ║ 79214.03 ║ 0.05530509 ║
║ 1954 ║ 1953 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.479479607 ║ 45 ║ 89124.63 ║ -0.42417452 ║
║ 1953 ║ 1952 ║ NBA ║ NBA ║ -0.187925172 ║ 52 ║ 92410.77 ║ -0.61209969 ║
║ 1977 ║ 1976 ║ NBA ║ ABA ║ -0.635587419 ║ 41 ║ 79379.66 ║ -1.18108788 ║
║ 1976 ║ 1975 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.740228592 ║ 46 ║ 87823.61 ║ -1.92131647 ║
║ 1975 ║ 1974 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.037326103 ║ 49 ║ 96599.31 ║ -1.95864257 ║
║ 1974 ║ 1973 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.254884226 ║ 56 ║ 111103.44 ║ -2.2135268 ║
║ 1973 ║ 1972 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ 0.093721705 ║ 53 ║ 104556.62 ║ -2.11980509 ║
║ 1972 ║ 1971 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.437100321 ║ 61 ║ 128464.16 ║ -2.55690542 ║
║ 1971 ║ 1970 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.496314403 ║ 62 ║ 136343.13 ║ -3.05321982 ║
║ 1970 ║ 1969 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.084337186 ║ 57 ║ 112114.22 ║ -3.13755701 ║
║ 1969 ║ 1968 ║ ABA ║ ABA ║ -0.429964744 ║ 62 ║ 118956.96 ║ -3.56752175 ║
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Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:41 pm
by Mike G
Hey, cool.
Is the count the number of players who were in the league both years, who were also 23-28 yrs old in yr1 and 24-29 in yr2 ?
What are the fractional minutes (MP) about?
Is Delta the minutes-weighted BPM change?
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:16 pm
by Mike G
If, in fact, the left end of the plot can move a point or 2, then we have these scenarios:
The .015 and .030 (red and green lines) are an annual adjustment suggesting unaccounted annual increases in BPM-equivalent competitive levels.
In the last 11 seasons (with no expansion), the sample population has averaged .158 in annual absolute Delta.
Is it plausible that 1/10 to 1/5 of that could be bias?
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:50 pm
by permaximum
Usual stuff as always
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:26 am
by Mike G
permaximum wrote:... just run an out-of-sample retrodiction test at full roster turnover rate and share the results here.
Don't you have to have full roster turnover to do this? What teams have had this? Expansion teams in year 1?
Iverson shows up at #81 in RS NBA-only Win Shares.
In VORP, he's #37 -- but this only goes back to 1974. In WS since 1974, he ranks #62; so we can infer that his all-time VORP rank would be about 37*81/62 = 48th.
That's slightly below where I have him ranked, using entirely different methods. He's only about average in the % of his minutes which were in playoffs (.079); but much above avg in how well he did -- his PO productivity was .96 of his RS rates (norm is about .93). Combine this with the fact that he got more PO minutes in his prime years, and his total PO rates were 1.03 of his RS avg.
In my Top 50, that is 9th best -- and it's higher than any active player. It's also just higher than West or Russell.
Iverson carried some teams to the playoffs, and then he was a beast.
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AI TS% Usg% ORtg DRtg PER WS/48 BPM
RS .518 31.8 105 106 20.9 .126 2.7
PO .489 34.3 105 109 21.2 .109 3.2
Hey, 3 of 4 summary stats agree; and this after a massive dropoff in Denver.
Win Shares just doesn't like him much.
We've also seen evidence that his personal efficiency is not indicative of the effect he had on team efficiency -- his teammates shot a lot better when he was on the floor, and had a lot less turnovers.
On the other hand, he still had good numbers right up to the point he was considered unemployable. This suggests he was not better than his stats, but worse.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:18 pm
by permaximum
Mike G wrote:permaximum wrote:... just run an out-of-sample retrodiction test at full roster turnover rate and share the results here.
Don't you have to have full roster turnover to do this? What teams have had this? Expansion teams in year 1?
Yes. You only account for games or better, lineups, which a given team has 100% roster turnover. The sample will be really small (expansion teams only and probably only a few games in the whole season if you don't go by the lineup route) but you'll expand upon it by using metrics values from Year - 2, Year - 3... You'll see those metrics don't really improve upon a simple and flawed stat called MPG.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:17 pm
by DSMok1
Mike G wrote:If, in fact, the left end of the plot can move a point or 2, then we have these scenarios:
The .015 and .030 (red and green lines) are an annual adjustment suggesting unaccounted annual increases in BPM-equivalent competitive levels.
In the last 11 seasons (with no expansion), the sample population has averaged .158 in annual absolute Delta.
Is it plausible that 1/10 to 1/5 of that could be bias?
This is absolutely the case. I need to figure out how to sort of "boot strap" some error estimates on the era adjustment. Perhaps some sort of cross validation? It's not an easy question. Error comes from:
1. Bias in the aging curve
2. Bias in the players selected (i.e. more trending downward than upward, even when adjusted for aging).
3. Small sample sizes for some years
4. Choosing year-to-year weighting (average of minutes in the two years? Harmonic mean? Minimum of minutes in the two seasons?)
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:43 pm
by Mike G
Looking at players 24-27 in yr1 and 25-28 in yr2, from 1952 to 2007, minutes ratio for yr2/yr1 averaged 1.0029
That is to say, players in this age group tend to get 0.29% more minutes than they did the year before.
Rebound Rate (estimated pre-1971) yr2/yr1 ratio avg .9863 -- Either rebounds are increasingly harder to come by, or rebounding strength peaks at a younger age than other skills.
Here's the rebound chart with alternative annual multipliers. Again 1977 is defined as 1.00
At .990, there's no improvement nor decline in rebounders' abilities since about 1966. Before that, rebounds were easier.
If aging has really been curtailed (by modern medicine, practices, etc), then we could expect continued improvement.
The 1.000 curve assumes 25-28 y.o. rebounders are just as good as when they were 24-27.
Strangely enough, there's no appearance of the great expansion dip in competitive level, 1968-72. It seems a lot of guys suddenly got more minutes, but they didn't get more rebounds; many got fewer. They weren't ready for prime time, and many were out of the league by age 28-30.
Here's the minutes competition curve:
My version of the 'competitive index' is the average of minutes and rebounding. The rebounds seem to smooth this one over a bit.
Wouldn't yr2/yr1 PER and WS/48 give additional perspective?
How different might conclusions be, if we only count non-expansion/contraction seasons, to get aging curves?
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:17 am
by Mike G
ESPN website is posting alltime top 10 players by position. They didn't consult me, but our rankings are pretty similar, for the most part:
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. point guard
. me ESPN
Magic Johnson Magic
Oscar Robertson Oscar
John Stockton Stockton
Jason Kidd Steph Curry
Bob Cousy Isiah
Isiah Thomas Paul
Gary Payton Steve Nash
Chris Paul Kidd
Tony Parker Frazier
Walt Frazier Cousy
. shooting guard
. me ESPN
Michael Jordan Jordan
Kobe Bryant Kobe
Jerry West West
Dwyane Wade Wade
Clyde Drexler Drexler
Allen Iverson Iverson
Manu Ginobili Gervin
Vince Carter Ray Allen
Reggie Miller Reggie
George Gervin Earl Monroe
It seems they're a bit over-enamored of Curry and the Warriors -- they insist GSW must be ranked #1 still, just because of ... incumbency ?
Possibly some would say, "He surely will rank in the top 3-4
eventually." And then it's a small or large leap of faith that he's already there.
So, how can he rank above Chris Paul?
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reg. sea. Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
Curry 15,818 22.5 .189 30.1 5.5 30.1
Paul 26,402 25.6 .248 62.6 7.4 62.6
playoffs Min PER WS/48 WS BPM VORP
Curry 1619 22.2 .190 6.4 6.7 3.5
Paul 2501 25.2 .200 10.4 7.8 6.2
Paul has 7 seasons >12 WinShares -- Curry has 2
With VORP > 5, it's 8 to 3.
All-NBA 1st team, 4-1
Curry has maybe half the career Paul has.
Some shooting guards:
http://bkref.com/tiny/FhQBB
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:01 pm
by permaximum
I couldn't care less about ESPN's list.
Stephen Curry's inclusion is a joke.
Steve Nash's inclusion is a joke.
West, Wade and Drexler over Iverson is a joke. I would put Iverson even over Kobe but they're close so I don't have a problem with that.
IMO, Nash and Wade are the most overrated players of 2000s. If they played in the 90s, they wouldn't be viewed that great. Now people put too much emphasis on championship numbers and TS%. Both of them means nothing without they're considered in team context. Today's people also give too less credit to defense and as a stat "steals".
My top5 points guards list would be;
Magic Johnson
Oscar Robertson
John Stockton
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
My top5 shooting guards list would be;
Michael Jordan
Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Tracy McGrady (I had to weigh his peak a lot more so I'm not 100% objective on this one)
Still, I don't feel good about making these kinds of lists. I have to watch all NBA/ABA games in history to make a list without a tiny bit of doubt. All I'm trying now is analyzing reflection of team and player performances on the stat sheet and watching old tapes.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:14 pm
by DSMok1
Mike G wrote:
Here's the minutes competition curve:
My version of the 'competitive index' is the average of minutes and rebounding. The rebounds seem to smooth this one over a bit.
Wouldn't yr2/yr1 PER and WS/48 give additional perspective?
How different might conclusions be, if we only count non-expansion/contraction seasons, to get aging curves?
I hadn't thought to look at a pure minutes based ERA adjustment. That's an intriguing option, I'll look into doing that as well.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:24 pm
by Mike G
Kobe is going to his 18th All Star game!
He has 3 of the 4 worst "allstar" seasons since 1961, by Win Shares and WS/48.
http://bkref.com/tiny/m7Q5Y
The 3 worst since 1979.
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:31 am
by permaximum
Kobe Bryant's career is finally over after he went for 60 while shooting 22/50 from the floor in his final game. 50 shots is the most taken in a game in the last 33 years. His decline was one of the shortest ones. He only played 3247 minutes in his 48637-minute career. Shortly, Kobe played roughly 0.06% of his career when he started to decline. His final number are:
36.1 MPG, 25.0 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.2 RPG, 1.4 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 3.0 TPG .447 FG%, .329 3P%, .837 FT%
13th pick of the 1996 NBA Draft
1 MVP
2 Scoring Titles
Re: Kobe Bryant and All-Time Ranking of Players
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:59 am
by Mike G
Previously, I believe John Havlicek's 29 was the biggest scoring outburst in a final game. It, too, was a regular season game.
Reggie Miller had 27 in his finale, which was in playoffs.
Kobe got 60 pts on ~55 attempts, 4 Ast, 2 TO -- ORtg of 111, vs Utah's 102.1
As mentioned, this is the only entry with 50+ FGA in b-r.com's Player Game Finder.
Of 24 games (since 1983-84) with 40+ FGA, Kobe is the owner of 10. Jordan has 4, Iverson 3. 7 guys with 1.
Westbrook did it one year ago -- 54-9-8 -- in 40 min., which is the only one of the 24 in fewer minutes than Kobe's 42 last night.
This one ranks 2nd of his 10 in Game Score, behind only his 81 in 2006.