Hinkie/Barzilai You Guys Rock (if this rumor is true...)

[talkingpractice]

One overrated short point guard

in exchange for

- one 19yr old kid who can touch the rim without jumping and shouldve been the #1 pick in the draft, *and*
- one underrated large point guard who shouldve been a top 5 pick in the draft, *and*
- a first round pick for next year.

Really?

[Bobbofitos]

Yeah, Philly by far big winners of the draft

[Statman]

Yeah, Philly by far big winners of the draft

Can't disagree - it was a great move.

[v-zero]

Yeah, when I read this I couldn't quite believe it.

[DSMok1]

So Jrue Holliday, who is paid $41 million over next 4 years, for Nerlens Noel, paid $12 million over next 4 years, and next years likely ~7th pick, paid about $12 million over 4 years.

Ummmmm....

Does anyone else think that's rather lopsided?

[schtevie]

I've got a few rants pending, but my goodness, this Noel trade jumps the queue. What was this?!

I had thought that such a fleecing (in expectation) was no longer possible in the Association. And it goes beyond the managerial weaknesses of the NOLA Pigeons. But let's start there. I'm supposing Team Demps was just too darn busy to have taken a look at this page, prior to negotiating his deal: http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?y ... ffs&id=849. Note: it's always a good idea to have at least a general sense about how your counterparts value their assets before you make your ask.

But why pick on just one team? Bad trades occur, not just because there are pigeons willing to make bad deals, but because there aren't sufficient numbers of smart guys willing and able to bid against each other for the too-good-to-be-true offer. Was there not one of the other 28 franchises able to come up with a more compelling offer for what appears very likely to be a defensive phenom, a likely high first round draft pick in what is said to be a deep draft, and change? Perhaps even another Atlantic Conference team with an All-Star point guard to give up that is apparently more than prepared to blow up its team for not-so-good draft positions in a rebuild?

[dtjmcauliffe]

I hate this deal. It's a sign that some GM's are going to be smart in the future, which will limit the Spurs ability to steal players.

Also, by transitive properties the Wizards have to be the dumbest team ever.

The Okafor/Ariza for Lewis trade last year seemed squarely in the Hornets favour because of cap management, even mentioned viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7998&p=12807&hilit= ... wis#p12807 Now, the Pelicans got ripped off, and made a move that makes the Austin Rivers pick look good. I just can't see the Hornets winning, people will blame Anthony Davis because he has help(Holiday and Gordon for the win?). If they'd just traded Noel it would've been bad, but somewhat reasonable. If Noel was gone and your choice came down the Len, McLemore, Zeller or Holiday, it's OK. But adding a first round pick is terrible.

Sixers >>>> Pelicans > Wizards.

[Crow]

This deal could end up any which way on the court (in distinction with financial and appearance) : win / lose, win / win, or lose / lose.

I'd guess that New Orleans did this deal with other thoughts on their mind, especially how much they are willing to pay to keep Vasquez and / or if they ready & able to move Gordon. If they end up feeling better positioned themselves, it might not matter as much who "won" the trade.

For Philly, Noel might be a major victory or a major headache. The 2014 draft pick sounds like a major coup but still half or more high draft picks are relative disappointments.

For New Orleans, maybe Holiday will do better under a different coach & system. I dunno if he will sell more tickets or stabilize the team's stature but he might help some.

[Statman]

This deal could end up any which way on the court (in distinction with financial and appearance) : win / lose, win / win, or lose / lose.

I'd guess that New Orleans did this deal with other thoughts on their mind, especially how much they are willing to pay to keep Vasquez and / or if they ready & able to move Gordon. If they end up feeling better positioned themselves, it might not matter as much who "won" the trade.

For Philly, Noel might be a major victory or a major headache. The 2014 draft pick sounds like a major coup but still half or more high draft picks are relative disappointments.

For New Orleans, maybe Holiday will do better under a different coach & system. I dunno if he will sell more tickets or stabilize the team's stature but he might help some.

Remember, the 2014 draft - for now - is being touted as one of the strongest in many, many years. Supposedly better than the 2008.

Many media types seem to be praising this trade for New Orleans - amazes me.

Noel is in no way a sure bet btw - broken growth plate in a knee and then less than 2 years later a torn ACL as a teenager. He's SIGNIFICANTLY greener as an offensive option (weak in traffic, relatively clumsy offensively, etc) than Davis was - but he and Davis do seem to have the greatest defensive upside we've seen in the post since Oden. They both are much more mobile than Oden was - not as strong. Noel is praised for his defense - but all things considered, he was a good college rebounder - not a great one. By my ratings, Roberson & Kazemi both had about a 30% higher rating than Noel as a rebounder. Noel was about on par with Plumlee, Zeller, Withey, Osby, Olynyk, Bennett, and Franklin(!). Only Kelly, Jerrett, Murphy, and Mitchell were rebounders from the post than the Noel group (Franklin was a SG/SF btw - which helps demonstrate his athleticism attacking the rebounds). There were 8 others drafted that were decidedly better rebounders than Noel.

But, Nerlens - barring injuries - can be one of the great defenders of this generation.

[wilq]

The funniest thing about Pelicans' trade is this page: http://bkref.com/tiny/8n1WF
OK, age matters, but it seems like they paid PREMIUM [in capital letters] for a word "all-star"... even though Jrue probably won't sniff another one in the Western Conference in his career.
Also now they will have to basically dump Vasquez which is a hidden additional cost.