LIneup trends around the league

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Spurs:

Early Fox - Wembanyama is a moderate positive but only 6th best of 20 most used and considerably behind Castle pairing and super far behind oustanding to date in modest minutes Harper pairing.

Barnes pair is moderately positive overall but he is in 2 of 3 worst performing of 10 most used Wemby lineups. Castle also in two, Champagnie in all 3. Put them all in a quad and they are still modestly positive but way behind the 5 best quads, 4 of which have Vassell.

Barnes Champagnie Wemby is the clear least positive trio of 20 most used at barely above neutral but 5th most used.

6 of 10 most used Fox lineups are negative, 5 horribly. All had Wemby and yet varied so widely... in short minutes. Fox only 136 minutes so far. Johnson has spread over 32 lineups. An average of only 4 minutes test. Only 1 over 11 minutes. Only 2 of 7 biggest are positive. Barely 1/3rd positive overall. Terrible with most of bench. Use the the few biggest and best with at least 3 starters. Plenty of adjustment probably needed.

Castle good or better overall with almost everyone but some lineups with 2-3 benchare quite bad. Tiny minutes buf monitor and adjust if appropriate.
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First teams to go over 200 lineups are Mavs, and Pacers.

Only teams under 100 are Nuggets, Rockets, Heat and barely Sixers.

Tops are low end performers. Most concentrated generally elite. Thunder at 169. Closer to the least concentrated end.
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Joe Mazzulla was asked about his substitution patterns: “What substitution patterns? Can’t be a pattern if there’s not a pattern.”
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Ingram - Barnes, +0.7 overall on a +7 team. Way better apart: Ingram no Barnes, +10, Barnes no Ingram +19. +4 in starting unit but must be almost as negative in average for the rest of lineups.

Ingram and no other starter, +22 / 100p. Barnes and no other starters, +10. Just one and no other starter less than 1 minute per game. Use them more.

Starters used a bit less than 10 minutes per game. That is alright but other combos are better, including Quickley, Barrett, Barnes no Ingram or Poeltl at +19. Use that more.

A total of 32 combinations used with or without these players. About 2/3rds positive. Just 3 over 50 minutes. I'd concentrate on some more of the best and let go of some of the worst. Not Coach Rajakovic.

They are doing well. But probably could be better. Playoffs are the real test. More concentration expected, needed there.
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Gobert sub-lineup data is very good. But among the most used 5 man lineups, it appears that 2 bench players at same time is often too much.
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More Kings lineup management analysis:

https://x.com/bballstrategy/status/1994 ... 34161?s=20
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Lakers:

189 lineups used before tonight. None over the equivalent of 4 minutes per game. 9 at or above 1 minute per game, 180 dinks.

Big minute pairs and trios look good. Start to have trouble with Doncic quads and 5 man lineups. 4 of 10 most used Doncic quads are negative and 5 of 10 lineups (1 mild,,2 bad, 2 horrible). Fwiw, almost all the negative lineups in 50 most used have LaRavia and / or Hachimura. Both are positive overall but in the bottom half of Doncic's main pairs. Need to improve or eliminate bad lineups with LaRavia or Hachimura. James starts out as Doncic's 2nd worst rotation pair.


Hachimura with lowest +/- numbers of the regular starters and LaRavia low for the occasional starter. Smart has strong +/-.

Doncic with just one of Hachimura or LaRavia is good overall, far preferable to with both but also none. But remove Ayton and Reaves and Doncic LaRavia Hachimura does great with bench players.

3rd easiest SOS, 13th best SRS. 4th best offensive efficiency, 17th on defense. Slightly below average pace and 3pta volume.

The 3 weak factors are offensive rebounding, own turnovers and shot defense. LaRavia and Hachimura are mid and weak on offensive glass and both weak on defensive glass. Hachimura very weak on defensive efg%, LaRavia mildly.

The move is for a forward better in at least 2 of these 3 factors than the incumbents. Everybody but Doncic would open for trade talk. Reaves, Ayton and LeBron unlikely but not totally off limits.

The best realistic target that offers improvements in these specific areas is probably Jonathan Isaac.


7 most used lineups thru last night average +9.5 pts / 48 min. All other lineups average -0.2. 7 most used getting 32% of total minutes, 68% providing stability but adding nothing.
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