NBA-ABA careers ranked, 1952-2016

[Mike G]

Shocker: LeBron leaps to #2
T is a weighted sum of other rates: 30 is a star, 35 is an allstar, 40 a superstar.
po% is the % of player's minutes in playoffs.
p/r is ratio of career T rates, PO/RS. Normal is about .93
Rates are normalized to 100 points and 44 rebounds per team, per game.

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per 36 rates       G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Michael Jordan   1251   39   31.2   6.5   5.1   2.3   2.7   .8   44.4   .15  1.06
LeBron James     1186   40   29.1   7.6   6.6   1.6   3.2   .7   43.7   .18  1.00
Kareem AbdJabbar 1797   37   24.7  10.6   3.4   1.0   3.0  2.7   40.2   .13   .95
Wilt Chamberlain 1205   47   23.4  14.7   3.5   1.5   3.6  3.0   43.6   .13   .90
Tim Duncan       1643   35   23.7  12.5   3.4    .8   2.7  2.3   40.9   .17   .96

Shaquille O'Neal 1422   35   27.9  12.2   2.7    .6   3.0  2.4   42.9   .16   .97
Karl Malone      1669   38   27.1  10.9   3.5   1.4   3.0   .8   40.6   .13   .92
Hakeem Olajuwon  1383   36   22.9  11.6   2.6   1.8   3.1  3.2   39.9   .12  1.07
Magic Johnson    1096   37   19.4   7.5  10.4   1.9   3.9   .4   37.9   .18   .98
Kevin Garnett    1605   35   20.9  11.6   4.0   1.4   2.4  1.5   37.9   .09   .95

11-20              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Larry Bird       1061   39   22.8   9.9   5.7   1.7   3.0   .8   38.9   .17   .94
Bill Russell     1128   43   12.6  14.6   3.8   1.5   2.9  4.0   35.6   .16  1.03
Kobe Bryant      1565   37   26.9   5.5   4.6   1.5   3.0   .5   36.3   .15   .96
Julius Erving    1432   37   22.5   7.8   4.0   1.9   3.4  1.7   35.4   .14   .98
Charles Barkley  1196   37   22.8  12.4   3.8   1.6   3.2   .8   38.4   .11   .99

David Robinson   1110   35   23.9  11.6   2.7   1.5   2.6  3.1   41.3   .11   .93
Dirk Nowitzki    1485   36   25.4   8.7   2.6    .9   1.9   .9   36.8   .11   .99
Jerry West       1083   40   24.8   4.2   6.0   2.7   3.3   .9   36.8   .15  1.02
Dwyane Wade      1020   36   26.8   5.4   5.9   1.7   3.4   .9   38.1   .17   .94
Elgin Baylor      977   40   23.5   9.6   3.9   1.6   3.2  1.5   37.3   .14   .98

21-30              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Scottie Pippen   1386   35   17.9   7.3   5.5   2.0   2.9   .9   31.8   .16  1.01
Oscar Robertson  1126   42   21.9   5.3   8.0   2.0   3.4   .7   36.3   .08   .92
Patrick Ewing    1322   35   23.0  11.0   2.0   1.0   3.1  2.6   36.5   .11   .95
John Stockton    1686   32   16.1   3.3  11.8   2.4   3.2   .2   33.6   .12   .95
Bob Pettit        880   39   24.9  11.7   2.8   1.3   3.3  1.8   39.2   .10   .91

Clyde Drexler    1231   35   20.4   6.7   5.5   2.1   2.9   .7   33.6   .13   .97
Moses Malone     1553   34   21.0  13.2   1.3    .9   3.3  1.4   33.9   .08  1.01
Paul Pierce      1481   35   23.6   6.4   3.7   1.4   2.9   .6   33.0   .12   .93
Jason Kidd       1549   36   13.2   6.8   8.9   2.0   3.0   .3   30.4   .11   .97
John Havlicek    1442   37   19.5   5.2   4.7   1.8   2.6   .7   30.0   .13  1.02

31-40              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Chris Paul        842   36   21.4   4.8   9.7   2.4   2.5   .1   38.4   .09   .97
Pau Gasol        1170   36   20.3  10.0   3.4    .5   2.4  1.7   34.1   .10   .94
Dolph Schayes     945   34   21.0  10.1   3.1   1.4   2.9  1.6   34.3   .08  1.02
Elvin Hayes      1399   39   18.5  10.9   1.7   1.0   2.6  2.1   31.6   .08  1.05
Rick Barry       1125   38   22.1   5.5   4.5   2.1   2.8   .5   32.6   .10  1.05

Russell Westbrook 669   35   23.8   6.3   8.2   1.9   4.0   .3   37.6   .13  1.03
Kevin Durant      732   38   28.6   7.2   3.5   1.1   3.1  1.0   38.4   .14   .95
Dwight Howard     969   36   20.8  14.1   1.6   1.0   3.2  2.2   36.0   .10  1.02
Artis Gilmore    1429   36   18.9  11.9   2.3    .6   3.9  2.3   31.5   .07   .98
Bob Cousy         955   36   19.1   4.1   7.8   2.4   3.0   .4   32.6   .12   .94

41-50              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Robert Parish    1793   29   17.5  11.4   1.5    .9   2.5  1.8   30.5   .12   .92
Chris Webber      911   37   20.4   9.9   4.2   1.4   2.8  1.4   35.2   .09   .89
Bob Lanier       1026   34   20.9  10.5   3.3   1.2   3.0  1.7   34.6   .07   .99
Manu Ginobili    1120   27   22.3   5.3   5.3   1.8   2.8   .4   33.2   .19   .93
Tracy McGrady     988   33   23.0   6.6   5.1   1.4   2.5  1.0   35.5   .05  1.05

Isiah Thomas     1090   36   18.4   3.7   8.8   2.0   3.8   .3   30.7   .11  1.10
Allen Iverson     985   41   25.1   3.5   5.6   2.0   3.2   .2   34.0   .08  1.03
George Mikan      284   35   26.6  13.1   2.9   1.3   3.6  2.0   42.1   .15  1.05
Tony Parker      1293   33   21.4   3.5   6.8   1.0   2.8   .1   30.9   .18   .90
Vince Carter     1356   33   22.6   5.6   3.9   1.2   2.2   .7   32.2   .06   .98

51-60              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Gary Payton      1488   35   17.5   4.4   7.0   1.9   2.4   .2   30.2   .10   .84
George McGinnis   946   34   19.5  10.5   3.8   2.0   4.5   .5   30.9   .12   .96
Dave Cowens       855   39   16.1  11.9   3.5   1.1   2.2   .9   31.5   .11  1.05
Dan Issel        1351   34   20.7   8.5   2.2   1.1   2.3   .6   30.6   .10   .95
Shawn Kemp       1139   28   19.5  11.5   2.1   1.4   3.3  1.6   32.0   .09  1.04

Carmelo Anthony   968   37   25.9   7.0   3.0   1.1   2.9   .5   34.2   .07   .94
Walt Frazier      915   38   19.0   5.3   6.0   1.9   2.5   .2   31.1   .11  1.03
Kevin McHale     1140   31   20.8   8.6   1.8    .4   2.2  2.0   31.3   .16   .99
Dominiq. Wilkins 1129   36   24.7   7.0   2.5   1.3   2.6   .6   33.6   .05   .92
Chauncey Billups 1201   32   20.1   3.6   6.3   1.1   2.3   .2   30.0   .14  1.03

61-70              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Reggie Miller    1533   35   22.7   3.4   3.1   1.1   1.9   .2   29.1   .10  1.05
Steve Nash       1332   32   18.4   3.5   9.2    .8   3.3   .1   30.0   .10   .98
Bob McAdoo        946   33   22.5   9.9   2.3   1.1   3.3  1.7   33.7   .09   .91
George Gervin    1142   34   24.3   5.5   2.6   1.3   3.2  1.1   31.2   .08  1.01
Carlos Boozer     944   32   20.7  12.3   2.5   1.0   2.5   .4   33.8   .09   .88

Stephen Curry     553   35   25.2   4.5   6.8   1.8   3.4   .2   36.1   .11  1.03
Alonzo Mourning   933   31   22.7  10.6   1.4    .6   3.1  3.3   35.3   .09   .91
Billy Cunningham  824   35   19.9   9.0   4.2   1.6   3.9  1.4   32.2   .06   .97
Shawn Marion     1271   35   16.7   9.4   2.0   1.6   1.6  1.1   29.9   .08   .88
James Worthy     1069   33   19.3   5.8   3.1   1.3   2.2   .7   28.3   .15  1.05

71-80              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Rasheed Wallace  1264   33   17.7   8.1   2.1   1.1   1.7  1.5   29.0   .14   .93
Jack Sikma       1209   33   16.1  10.7   3.2   1.1   2.5  1.0   29.5   .09   .86
Terry Cummings   1285   29   19.3   9.3   2.2   1.3   2.3   .7   30.1   .08   .99
Alex English     1261   32   21.3   5.9   3.6   1.0   2.7   .8   29.8   .06  1.01
Larry Nance       988   34   18.3   9.0   2.7   1.0   2.0  2.4   32.2   .07   .92

Vlade Divac      1255   30   14.3   9.9   3.6   1.3   2.6  1.7   28.7   .10   .94
Neil Johnston     536   35   23.8  10.2   2.8   1.3   3.1  1.6   36.4   .04   .90
Kevin Johnson     840   34   19.0   3.6   9.0   1.5   3.3   .3   31.7   .13   .95
Amar'e Stoudemire 924   31   24.4   9.4   1.4    .9   2.8  1.5   34.1   .08   .96
Chris Bosh        981   36   21.1   9.2   2.0    .8   2.0  1.1   32.1   .09   .87

81-90              G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Jerry Lucas       901   38   15.5  11.9   3.1   1.4   2.6  1.8   31.6   .07   .87
Walt Bellamy     1088   38   18.4  11.0   2.3    .8   2.5   .7   30.0   .05   .95
Lamar Odom       1069   33   15.2   9.6   3.9    .9   2.5  1.0   28.3   .10   .98
Ray Allen        1471   36   21.5   4.5   3.4   1.1   2.1   .2   28.8   .06   .87
Elton Brand      1095   33   19.0  10.1   2.3   1.0   2.2  2.0   32.5   .03   .90

Cliff Hagan       931   29   20.2   5.7   3.7   1.5   2.6   .8   29.5   .11  1.07
Grant Hill       1065   34   19.4   7.2   4.6   1.3   2.6   .6   31.0   .03   .92
Alvan Adams      1066   28   16.6   8.9   4.8   1.6   3.4  1.0   29.8   .08   .95
Rajon Rondo       739   34   13.1   5.8   9.3   2.0   3.2   .1   29.1   .14  1.10
Horace Grant     1275   34   12.7   9.5   2.4   1.1   1.2  1.1   26.1   .14   .99

91-100             G   mpg    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Baron Davis       885   34   17.5   4.3   7.3   2.0   3.0   .5   30.0   .06  1.15
Wes Unseld       1103   37   10.4  12.5   3.8   1.1   1.9   .7   27.0   .12   .96
Zach Randolph    1047   32   20.1  11.6   2.0    .9   2.4   .3   31.8   .07   .89
Josh Smith        964   32   16.6   8.9   3.3   1.3   2.8  2.1   30.2   .07   .99
Blake Griffin     458   35   23.6  10.3   4.3   1.0   2.6   .6   37.5   .11   .91

Adrian Dantley   1025   36   24.7   5.9   2.8   1.0   3.0   .2   31.0   .07   .94
Sam Cassell      1129   30   19.5   4.0   7.1   1.2   2.9   .2   30.0   .11   .82
Tom Heinsohn      758   30   20.3   7.3   2.3   1.1   2.5  1.1   29.2   .14  1.01
Bob Dandridge     937   36   18.8   6.5   3.4   1.3   3.0   .6   27.3   .12  1.02
Gus Williams      924   31   18.8   3.0   6.0   2.3   2.7   .4   29.2   .11  1.08

[Crow]

What is the rank order based on? It is not strictly T or anything else I can discern.

[Mike G]

T is the total of contributions in 36 minutes -- so it represents proficiency, productivity, or excellence.
In the course of a career, a player's equivalent total productions can be estimated as T*minutes/36.
Including playoffs (and a bunch of standardizing adjustments), the leaders are:

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eTotals
71440   Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
68032   Karl Malone
63233   Tim Duncan
62128   Wilt Chamberlain
58120   Shaquille O'Neal
57453   Kevin Garnett
56950   Michael Jordan
55779   Kobe Bryant
53991   LeBron James
53719   Hakeem Olajuwon

Rather than let the list be dominated by those with great longevity -- there's a case to be made for excellence, also -- I take the square root of these eTotals, and multiply that by the T rate again. So it's better to reach 20,000 points and 10,000 rebounds at a higher rate, in fewer years/games/minutes.

I do the same thing with playoff eTotals and T. Players have a playoff career. Since players seem to think that's where career success lies, I merely agree. A meager playoff career is an indication that maybe the player got a lot of puffed up regular season stats with bad teams. And playoff excellence is a sign that maybe he's a great competitor.

So playoff T rate is multiplied by sqrt(eTotalsPO) and added to the overall product. Yeah, playoffs are in there twice, T rates 4X.
Being a member of a championship team -- a ring -- adds the equivalent of 10 playoff games to your PO eTotal.
Because winning also matters.

[Mike G]

Players who just had a great year made big strides up the list since last year.

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rapid risers     2015  2016
LeBron James        5     2
Kyrie Irving      496   230
Stephen Curry     121    66
Russell Westbrook  62    36
Kawhi Leonard     369   220
Kyle Lowry        371   235
Kevin Love        224   143
Paul George       273   185
DeMar DeRozan     574   405
James Harden      142   102
Goran Dragic      546   420
DeMarcus Cousins  305   238
Kevin Durant       47    37
John Wall         304   241
DeAndre Jordan    445   355
LaMarcus Aldridge 163   131
Al Horford        192   158
Jeff Teague       388   320
Chris Paul         37    31
Paul Millsap      161   137

[Mike G]

So playoff T rate is multiplied by sqrt(eTpo) and added to the overall product...

Here's a closeup of our top 2 guys' subtotals:

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career   T     min    eTotal
Jordan  44.4  48,487  56,950
LeBron  43.7  46,867  53,991

playoff  Tpo   min   eTotal
Jordan  46.8   7474   9263
LeBron  43.8   8373   9663

Equivalent totals are just T*min/36, with a minor mpg adjustment.
When you take the square root of the eT, then multiply by T (again), you get a number with no units. Or call them 'credits'.

Here are the top 5 thru last year, and now:

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-2015    all    PO    total    VTot    T2
Jordan  10586  5142   15728   15463   15595
Kareem  10744  4095   14839   14273   14556
Wilt    10757  3513   14269   14521   14395
Duncan  10248  4335   14583   14056   14319
LeBron   9780  4178   13958   14255   14107

-2016    all    PO    total    VTot    T2
Duncan  10285  4326   14610   14099   14355
LeBron  10158  4589   14747   15178   14962

Duncan has the odd luck of losing rank while he's still playing. His 2016 playoffs were so weak by his career standards, his PO credits total actually drops.
Mostly, though, it's just LeBron's relentless rise.

VTotals are an alternate total that includes a versatility index. T2 is then just the average of the 2.
With an epic postseason, LeBron's PO credits increased not quite 10%
Without the V, he's still behind Kareem at #3
With no added weight on playoffs, he trails all of them plus Shaq and Karl.

Without bonus credit for rings (for anyone), he's still #2; Wilt would jump Kareem, Malone over Shaq, Garnett over Magic; Kobe and Erving over Russell; Barkley over Erving and Russell; Baylor over Wade; Ewing over Oscar and Pippen ...

[Mike G]

Players with highest fraction of career minutes in playoffs:

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Kawhi Leonard  .204
Robert Horry   .200
Manu Ginobili  .190
Magic Johnson  .185
LeBron James   .179
Tony Parker    .178
Derek Fisher   .172
Dwyane Wade    .172
Michael Cooper .167
Larry Bird     .167

These are just among players in "The 10,000 Club" -- 746 players with >10,000 equivalent total pts+reb+etc.
Most eTotals with zero playoff appearances:

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eTot     no playoffs      years
17119   Tom VanArsdale   66  77
13552   DeMarcus Cousins 11  16
12321   Greg Monroe      11  16
11066   Otto Moore       69  77
10389   Nate Williams    72  79
10178   Geoff Petrie     71  75
10064   Bob Kauffman     69  75

Monroe just escaped the Pistons (no playoffs in 5 years) to the Bucks, who missed.

[Mike G]

The 2nd 100:

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101-110            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Maurice Lucas    1123   30   15.8  10.7   2.8   1.0   3.0   .8   27.4   .09  1.04
James Harden      611   33   23.9   5.1   5.3   1.6   3.3   .4   33.6   .13   .94
Sam Jones        1026   28   20.9   4.3   3.0   1.3   2.4   .5   27.5   .16   .97
Mark Jackson     1427   30   11.2   4.8   9.4   1.5   2.9   .1   26.0   .09  1.00
Nate Thurmond    1044   37   13.4  11.9   2.7    .6   2.4  2.6   29.2   .07   .94

Dennis Johnson   1280   34   14.8   4.3   5.2   1.5   2.6   .7   24.4   .16  1.01
Dave DeBusschere  971   36   14.9   9.4   2.8   1.3   2.3  1.5   27.9   .11   .98
Marques Johnson   735   35   20.4   7.5   3.6   1.4   2.5   .8   31.5   .08   .98
Tim Hardaway      923   35   18.3   3.6   8.3   1.7   3.0   .2   30.6   .06   .94
Dikembe Mutombo  1299   31   13.0  12.7   1.3    .5   2.1  3.3   29.0   .08  1.00

111-120            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Mark Aguirre     1025   30   22.2   6.0   3.4    .9   2.9   .4   29.4   .10   .94
Terry Porter     1398   28   15.7   3.9   6.6   1.5   2.6   .2   26.5   .10  1.01
Jeff Hornacek    1217   32   17.1   4.1   5.2   1.6   2.0   .2   27.1   .12   .96
Jermaine O'Neal  1103   27   18.4  10.1   1.8    .6   2.5  2.4   30.7   .09   .94
Richard Hamilton 1050   33   21.2   3.9   3.9    .9   2.5   .2   27.4   .14  1.03

Clyde Lovellette  775   27   21.8   9.4   2.0   1.0   2.8  1.5   32.3   .08   .94
Andre Miller     1372   31   15.4   4.6   7.4   1.4   2.8   .2   27.4   .05   .92
Deron Williams    854   35   18.9   3.7   8.0   1.1   3.1   .3   30.0   .09   .95
Antoine Walker    957   36   17.5   8.4   3.8   1.3   2.9   .5   28.5   .07   .90
Rod Strickland   1146   31   15.0   4.5   8.6   1.7   3.1   .2   28.7   .05   .96

121-130            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Paul Arizin       693   38   23.2   6.3   2.3   1.1   2.6   .9   30.7   .07  1.02
Larry Foust       819   29   18.5   9.8   2.2   1.1   2.6  1.5   30.1   .08   .97
Derrick Coleman   820   33   17.9  10.3   2.8    .8   2.8  1.5   30.5   .05  1.06
Zelmo Beaty      1004   34   17.2   9.3   1.6    .9   2.3  1.4   27.6   .13   .99
Anfernee Hardaway 752   35   17.8   5.0   5.6   1.7   2.8   .5   28.9   .10  1.10

David West        976   31   18.9   8.7   2.6    .9   2.0   .9   30.1   .09   .91
Bailey Howell    1037   32   19.1   8.2   2.0   1.0   2.4  1.3   28.8   .08   .87
Detlef Schrempf  1250   30   17.0   7.7   3.9    .9   2.4   .3   27.2   .09   .88
Bill Laimbeer    1181   32   13.9  11.0   2.1    .8   1.7  1.0   26.9   .10   .95
Maurice Cheeks   1234   32   12.6   3.3   7.1   2.4   2.4   .3   25.2   .12  1.05

131-140            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
LaMarcus Aldridge 766   35   21.1   9.4   1.9    .8   1.7  1.1   32.7   .06   .92
Bill Walton       517   28   15.7  12.8   4.0   1.0   3.6  2.7   33.2   .08  1.02
Chet Walker      1138   33   19.5   6.3   2.2   1.1   2.3   .9   27.5   .10   .94
Brad Daugherty    589   37   19.6  10.1   3.6    .8   2.8   .8   32.0   .07  1.02
Willis Reed       728   35   18.4  10.8   1.9   1.0   2.6  1.7   30.8   .10   .91

Charles Oakley   1426   32   11.1  11.4   2.8   1.2   2.5   .3   23.9   .11  1.00
Paul Millsap      750   31   18.4   9.7   2.7   1.6   2.2  1.3   31.8   .09   .90
Lenny Wilkens    1141   35   15.7   4.0   6.6   2.2   2.6   .4   27.7   .06   .93
Mookie Blaylock   943   35   14.0   4.5   7.2   2.4   2.5   .4   28.1   .07  1.01
Bobby Jones      1093   27   14.8   7.3   3.1   1.8   2.5  1.8   27.0   .14   .93

141-150            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Bernard King      899   34   23.4   6.2   3.3   1.1   3.4   .3   30.0   .03  1.10
Ben Wallace      1216   30    7.2  12.7   1.7   1.6   1.2  2.4   25.7   .12  1.06
Kevin Love        540   33   21.0  13.3   2.6    .7   2.2   .5   35.7   .04   .89
Marcus Camby     1049   29   11.3  12.7   2.1   1.2   1.7  2.9   29.6   .07   .87
Hal Greer        1213   36   17.9   4.0   3.9   1.6   2.3   .4   25.6   .08   .97

Otis Thorpe      1332   32   16.1   9.6   2.4    .8   2.5   .4   26.0   .06   .93
Walter Davis     1111   28   22.1   3.7   4.3   1.5   3.1   .2   28.7   .07   .97
Ron Harper       1121   31   15.3   5.1   4.4   2.0   2.5   .8   26.0   .09   .91
Tom Chambers     1214   30   19.6   7.3   2.2    .9   2.7   .7   27.1   .08   .91
Al Jefferson      834   30   20.1  11.2   1.7    .9   1.7  1.5   33.9   .02   .85

151-160            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Marc Gasol        622   34   17.1   9.2   3.3   1.0   2.1  1.6   30.6   .10  1.00
Vern Mikkelsen    634   32   18.2   8.5   2.4   1.2   2.5  1.3   28.8   .10   .94
Yao Ming          514   33   25.6  11.1   1.8    .4   3.0  2.1   37.4   .06   .88
Bill Bridges     1039   33   11.7  10.6   2.8   1.3   2.2  1.7   26.1   .10   .99
Rik Smits         968   27   19.7   8.3   1.8    .6   2.4  1.6   28.9   .11  1.02

Spencer Haywood   889   35   19.6   9.6   1.8    .7   2.9  1.3   29.6   .05   .95
Mel Daniels       748   35   14.5  11.5   1.7    .9   2.3  1.8   27.9   .15   .97
Al Horford        652   34   16.7  10.1   3.0    .9   1.7  1.4   30.9   .12   .89
Robert Horry     1352   25   10.2   7.1   3.1   1.5   1.7  1.3   22.1   .20  1.08
Jason Terry      1400   31   17.9   3.0   4.7   1.3   2.1   .2   25.8   .09   .90

161-170            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Johnny Kerr       981   31   14.5   9.7   2.4   1.2   2.3  1.5   27.3   .08   .93
Antawn Jamison   1129   35   18.9   8.2   1.6   1.0   1.7   .4   28.2   .04   .92
Joe Johnson      1244   36   17.8   4.3   3.9    .9   2.1   .2   25.5   .09   .91
Jerome Kersey    1257   25   13.5   7.8   2.4   1.7   1.9  1.0   24.7   .11  1.08
Sam Perkins      1453   28   14.6   7.7   1.8   1.0   1.5   .9   24.6   .12   .96

Buck Williams    1415   33   14.0  11.4   1.3    .9   2.4   .9   25.5   .08   .85
Ed Macauley       549   35   20.4   6.4   3.4   1.4   2.6   .9   30.3   .07   .88
Zydrun. Ilgauskas 923   27   18.2  10.7   1.5    .6   2.3  2.0   30.4   .08   .91
Toni Kukoc        945   26   16.1   5.8   5.0   1.3   2.4   .4   27.1   .11   .94
Eddie Jones      1035   34   17.6   4.6   3.3   1.8   1.7   .7   27.1   .08   .90

171-180            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Lafayette Lever   797   32   13.5   6.7   6.3   2.5   2.2   .3   28.7   .06   .94
Jamaal Wilkes     941   33   17.9   6.5   2.5   1.4   2.3   .4   26.2   .12   .92
Harry Gallatin    535   32   17.7  11.3   2.1   1.1   2.6  1.8   31.3   .07   .94
Andre Iguodala    993   35   14.6   5.8   4.4   1.7   2.2   .5   25.6   .09   .92
Latrell Sprewell  975   39   17.9   4.2   4.0   1.4   2.6   .4   25.6   .07  1.05

Kevin Willis     1517   27   15.2  11.0   1.2    .9   2.3   .7   25.8   .06   .91
Billy Paultz     1240   28   13.0   9.3   2.3    .7   2.1  2.0   25.3   .11   .95
Chris Mullin     1058   32   19.3   4.6   3.5   1.7   2.6   .6   27.6   .06   .86
Gail Goodrich    1111   33   19.0   2.9   4.8   1.5   3.0   .2   25.6   .07  1.02
Kenyon Martin     869   31   15.1   8.5   2.3   1.4   2.1  1.4   26.6   .13   .99

181-190            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Terrell Brandon   762   30   17.6   4.0   7.7   1.9   2.3   .4   31.1   .04   .93
Stephon Marbury   878   37   19.6   3.1   7.7   1.2   3.0   .1   29.9   .03   .77
Sidney Moncrief   860   31   18.5   5.7   4.0   1.4   2.4   .4   27.8   .12   .89
George Yardley    518   34   21.9   7.7   2.0   1.0   2.6  1.2   30.7   .10  1.01
Paul George       434   33   21.1   7.2   3.7   1.8   2.8   .5   31.8   .16   .98

Antonio McDyess  1115   27   15.6  10.3   1.6   1.0   2.0  1.4   27.6   .08   .90
Cliffo. Robinson 1521   31   16.1   5.4   2.7   1.2   2.1  1.2   24.6   .08   .81
Mark Price        769   30   19.0   3.2   7.9   1.4   3.0   .1   30.1   .07   .95
Rashard Lewis    1139   32   18.3   6.3   1.9   1.2   1.7   .6   26.5   .08   .92
Dave Bing         933   36   18.9   3.4   5.9   2.0   2.6   .2   28.8   .03   .93

191-200            G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Sam Lacey        1029   32   10.5  10.4   4.1   1.6   3.0  1.8   25.9   .03   .99
Dan Roundfield    851   30   16.3  10.7   2.3   1.0   3.0  1.7   28.8   .05   .95
Jo Jo White       917   36   16.5   3.7   4.9   1.3   2.9   .2   24.0   .10  1.10
Bill Sharman      757   32   21.1   3.4   3.2   1.4   2.4   .2   26.9   .10   .94
Michael Finley   1230   34   17.1   4.8   3.1   1.0   1.6   .3   25.3   .09   .84

Mike Bibby       1105   34   16.3   3.6   5.8   1.3   2.3   .2   25.7   .10   .87
Mitch Richmond    997   35   21.4   4.2   3.5   1.3   2.8   .3   27.8   .02   .93
Earl Monroe      1008   32   19.8   3.0   4.1   1.2   2.3   .3   26.3   .08   .99
Mychal Thompson  1039   29   15.0   9.1   2.5    .9   2.7  1.4   25.9   .09   .89
Derek Harper     1296   32   14.8   2.8   6.1   1.9   2.2   .3   24.9   .08   .93

ABA numbers are downgraded, from a lot in the early years to very little at the end. Each year's player movements to/from the NBA have been analyzed for equivalency of scoring, rebound, and assist rates. Minutes are unadjusted.

No credit is given for seasons prior to 1952; minutes were not recorded before then.
Player equivalent productions before the 82-game standard season are pro-rated to 82-game equivalents.
Lockout-shortened seasons have not been pro-rated.
Assist rates from earlier eras are upgraded to more modern standard Ast/FG ratios.

Pre-1974 steals and blocks are estimated from player assists and rebounds, respectively. Pre-1978 turnovers are estimated from other productions.
Rebound rates are adjusted to opponent Reb/G, which before 1971 are estimated from known team rates.

[Mike G]

The 3rd hundred, and we're still finding all-stars and Hall of Famers.

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201-210             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Dennis Rodman     1080   31    8.5  15.2   2.0    .8   1.9   .7   24.7   .14   .89
Richie Guerin      878   33   17.3   4.1   5.3   1.9   2.5   .4   27.3   .05   .96
Derrick Rose       446   35   22.1   4.1   6.2    .9   3.1   .4   31.2   .10  1.07
Danny Manning      920   28   17.9   6.7   3.0   1.4   2.7  1.1   27.3   .05  1.05
Connie Hawkins     649   36   16.3   7.3   3.9   1.6   2.4  1.1   28.4   .06   .94

Steve Smith       1029   31   18.7   4.0   3.7    .9   2.1   .3   25.7   .09   .98
Joakim Noah        631   30   12.6  12.3   3.6   1.0   2.2  1.6   29.4   .11   .91
Lou Hudson         951   34   20.4   4.2   2.8   1.6   2.4   .3   26.9   .07   .94
Glenn Rivers       943   28   13.4   4.0   6.9   2.3   2.4   .5   26.1   .09  1.02
David Lee          778   30   17.6  11.3   2.5    .9   2.2   .4   30.1   .02   .89

211-220             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Ron Artest        1051   33   15.4   5.4   3.0   2.0   2.0   .6   24.8   .09   .92
Andrei Kirilenko   845   30   15.5   7.4   3.2   1.7   2.3  2.2   28.9   .06   .76
Byron Scott       1256   28   17.0   3.7   2.9   1.4   1.8   .3   23.8   .15   .94
Mickey Johnson     923   28   16.6   8.9   3.5   1.4   3.7   .9   27.0   .02  1.09
Jack Twyman        855   32   20.3   5.7   2.5   1.2   2.4   .8   27.6   .04   .96

Larry Kenon        809   33   16.7   9.3   2.3   1.4   3.1   .4   26.4   .07   .97
Alvin Robertson    792   32   14.4   6.1   5.3   3.1   3.1   .5   27.3   .02  1.16
Steve Francis      581   38   19.2   6.0   6.3   1.5   3.5   .4   30.2   .01  1.09
Richard Jefferson 1208   30   17.5   5.5   2.6    .9   2.0   .4   24.7   .10   .93
Kawhi Leonard      399   30   19.2   8.1   2.4   2.1   1.5   .8   31.9   .20   .94

221-230             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Paul Silas        1417   28   10.5  10.6   2.5    .8   1.9   .3   22.5   .12   .92
Hersey Hawkins    1057   33   16.9   4.2   3.2   1.8   2.1   .3   25.0   .07  1.01
Anthony Mason      975   35   12.7   9.2   3.7    .8   1.9   .3   24.8   .09   .88
Larry Johnson      773   36   16.9   7.9   3.3    .8   2.1   .4   27.0   .09   .89
Shareef AbdurRahim 836   34   20.1   8.5   2.8   1.1   2.7   .8   30.2   .00   .61

Gilbert Arenas     583   35   22.2   4.2   5.2   1.7   3.3   .3   30.6   .05   .96
Fred Brown        1044   25   18.6   3.5   4.2   1.8   2.3   .3   26.5   .07  1.00
Nene Hilario       867   28   16.6   8.7   2.4   1.5   2.5  1.0   27.6   .08   .87
Joe Dumars        1130   35   17.5   2.4   4.8    .9   2.1   .1   24.1   .10   .96
Kyrie Irving       343   34   23.9   3.8   5.5   1.5   2.9   .4   32.8   .11  1.07

231-240             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Christian Laettner 913   29   16.2   8.6   3.1   1.3   2.7   .9   27.3   .04   .86
Arvydas Sabonis    521   25   18.3  10.8   3.0   1.1   2.4  1.4   32.3   .11   .90
Glenn Robinson     727   36   21.1   6.6   2.8   1.2   3.1   .6   28.8   .04   .88
Luol Deng          884   36   17.0   6.8   2.3   1.0   1.8   .5   26.1   .08   .95
Kyle Lowry         687   31   16.9   5.1   6.5   1.6   2.6   .3   28.7   .07   .90

Calvin Murphy     1053   31   19.8   2.3   4.9   1.7   2.2   .1   27.0   .05   .97
Paul Westphal      930   25   20.4   2.5   5.6   1.7   3.2   .4   28.1   .11   .86
DeMarcus Cousins   415   32   22.7  13.0   3.0   1.6   4.0  1.4   37.1   .00   .93
Glen Rice         1055   35   20.1   4.9   2.2   1.0   1.8   .3   26.4   .06   .87
Don Nelson        1203   21   15.8   6.3   2.2   1.1   2.1   .9   23.8   .13  1.01

241-250             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
John Wall          440   36   18.7   4.7   8.4   1.7   3.9   .7   31.7   .04   .95
Nick Van Exel      955   33   15.5   3.3   7.2    .9   2.3   .1   26.0   .08   .91
John Starks        959   28   17.0   3.3   4.8   1.4   2.3   .1   24.8   .11  1.08
Randy Smith        998   32   17.1   3.9   4.9   1.9   2.8   .1   25.6   .03  1.09
Xavier McDaniel    901   30   18.0   7.7   2.4   1.1   2.6   .6   26.5   .06   .97

Tayshaun Prince   1157   32   14.0   5.5   2.8    .7   1.3   .6   22.9   .14   .99
Brad Miller        917   28   14.8   9.3   3.4    .9   2.0   .9   27.4   .05   .82
AC Green          1431   28   11.7   9.5   1.3   1.0   1.4   .5   22.5   .10   .95
Jason Richardson   875   34   18.6   5.5   2.7   1.3   1.9   .5   26.8   .04  1.00
Jamal Mashburn     663   37   19.0   5.6   4.2   1.0   2.6   .2   27.5   .08   .93

251-260             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Jerry Stackhouse  1045   31   19.9   3.9   4.0   1.0   3.1   .5   26.2   .07   .82
Norm Nixon         827   36   14.7   2.7   7.8   1.6   3.2   .1   24.9   .08  1.03
Andrew Bogut       702   29   13.2  11.7   2.7    .8   2.2  2.0   28.5   .06   .91
Pete Maravich      684   37   22.1   3.8   5.2   1.4   4.1   .3   28.4   .03   .92
John Drew          768   29   23.1   7.9   1.9   1.6   3.3   .3   30.3   .03   .73

Willie Wise        629   34   16.4   7.1   2.9   1.4   2.6   .4   25.3   .13  1.06
Elden Campbell    1149   24   14.3   8.4   1.6    .9   1.8  2.1   25.7   .08   .92
Cedric Maxwell     933   28   15.6   7.8   2.5   1.0   2.7   .6   24.4   .10   .99
Roger Brown        715   36   14.3   4.8   3.5   1.1   1.8   .8   23.1   .16  1.10
Jameer Nelson      797   29   16.7   4.2   6.4   1.2   2.8   .1   26.3   .06  1.08

261-270             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Nate Archibald     923   36   18.3   2.3   7.3   1.2   3.2   .1   26.9   .05   .81
Ron Boone         1125   31   16.3   4.0   4.0   1.5   3.5   .2   22.2   .08  1.04
Jalen Rose         981   30   17.9   4.3   4.6    .9   2.7   .4   25.5   .06   .93
David Thompson     632   33   22.6   4.3   3.3   1.1   3.1   .9   29.1   .07   .95
Peja Stojakovic    899   33   20.0   5.3   1.8   1.0   1.5   .2   26.7   .10   .86

Mike Conley        687   33   16.4   3.5   6.1   1.7   2.3   .2   26.8   .08  1.04
Damon Stoudamire   869   33   15.0   4.2   7.1   1.2   2.6   .1   26.1   .06   .86
Sidney Wicks       769   34   16.7   8.7   3.3   1.1   3.0   .8   27.2   .01  1.03
Eddie Johnson     1284   27   18.8   5.3   2.4    .8   2.2   .2   24.7   .06   .91
Ralph Sampson      494   30   16.9  10.5   2.5   1.0   3.6  1.9   28.7   .09  1.08

271-280             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Reggie Theus      1043   34   18.1   3.6   6.2   1.3   3.7   .2   25.8   .02   .86
Boris Diaw        1099   28   12.3   6.1   4.4    .8   2.3   .6   22.2   .10  1.07
Vinnie Johnson    1095   25   15.3   4.3   4.1   1.1   2.1   .3   23.4   .10  1.04
Mich. R Richardson 574   34   14.4   6.1   7.0   2.9   3.6   .4   28.4   .04   .91
Hot Rod Williams   938   30   13.1   8.5   2.1   1.0   1.6  1.9   25.6   .06   .98

Rolando Blackman  1045   33   19.0   3.8   3.2    .8   2.1   .3   25.1   .06   .95
Gus Johnson        682   33   15.1  10.2   2.6   1.2   2.4  1.6   28.4   .06   .86
Dan Majerle       1079   32   13.0   5.3   3.2   1.4   1.3   .4   22.8   .12   .96
Ray Scott          850   29   14.4   9.0   2.5   1.2   2.2  1.4   26.4   .05   .99
Juwan Howard      1257   30   16.1   7.9   2.7    .8   2.5   .3   24.8   .02   .78

281-290             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Jeff Mullins       873   31   17.4   3.9   4.2   1.7   2.3   .4   25.8   .08   .91
Rudy Tomjanovich   797   34   18.3   8.2   2.1    .7   1.8   .3   27.5   .04   .91
Rudy LaRusso       831   33   15.1   7.5   2.2   1.1   2.1  1.1   24.7   .12   .91
Dale Davis        1231   27   10.9  11.0   1.2    .8   1.3  1.5   24.0   .11   .92
Paul Pressey       799   27   13.2   5.1   6.2   1.8   3.0   .8   24.9   .10   .97

Bob Love           836   33   19.5   6.0   1.6    .9   2.2   .8   26.1   .08  1.00
Danny Ainge       1235   27   14.2   3.5   4.8   1.4   1.9   .2   22.6   .15   .89
Avery Johnson     1135   26   11.8   2.4   7.8   1.3   2.3   .2   22.9   .09  1.10
Vin Baker          815   32   16.8   9.0   2.2    .8   2.5  1.1   27.0   .03   .94
Joe Graboski       776   30   14.6   7.9   2.4   1.2   2.1  1.2   25.1   .04  1.00

291-300             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Hedo Turkoglu     1106   27   15.6   5.6   3.7   1.0   2.1   .4   24.1   .10   .85
Drew Gooden        854   25   15.8  10.8   1.5    .9   2.1   .8   27.3   .07   .94
Frank Ramsey       721   25   17.3   5.2   2.3   1.1   2.1   .7   24.0   .14  1.01
Allan Houston      902   34   20.8   3.4   2.7    .7   2.3   .2   25.1   .08   .99
Jack Coleman       545   33   13.1   8.6   3.3   1.4   2.2  1.3   26.0   .09   .96

Darryl Dawkins     814   24   17.3   8.6   1.7    .7   3.3  2.0   25.7   .14   .99
PJ Brown          1195   31   10.9   9.5   1.9   1.0   1.4  1.2   23.1   .08   .92
Mehmet Okur        705   29   17.6   9.7   2.0    .7   1.9   .9   28.6   .08   .79
Roy Hibbert        668   26   15.5   9.6   1.9    .5   2.3  2.4   27.4   .10  1.04
Nick Anderson      849   31   16.1   6.0   2.9   1.6   1.9   .5   25.7   .07   .88

[Mike G]

This bit starts with Cliff Robinson the first, 1980-89.

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301-310             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Cliff Robinson     634   31   18.2   9.9   2.2   1.2   2.9   .8   28.8   .02  1.01
Tyson Chandler    1062   28   12.4  12.3   1.1    .7   1.9  1.6   25.8   .07   .82
Andrew Bynum       491   25   18.1  11.6   1.5    .5   2.2  2.2   31.5   .14   .88
Corey Maggette     839   28   21.5   6.4   2.4    .9   2.8   .2   27.6   .01  1.19
World B Free       922   30   21.6   3.2   4.1   1.2   2.9   .3   27.5   .03   .86

Happy Hairston     843   31   15.5   9.5   1.8    .9   2.1   .2   25.0   .08   .89
Phil Chenier       629   34   18.6   3.6   3.2   1.8   2.3   .6   26.1   .10  1.03
Billy Knight       852   29   19.1   6.1   2.6   1.2   2.8   .2   26.0   .04  1.01
Kenny Anderson     891   30   14.5   3.7   7.3   1.7   2.4   .2   26.4   .04   .85
Stephen Jackson    930   32   17.4   4.6   3.2   1.5   2.8   .4   24.1   .08   .92

311-320             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Arnie Risen        490   28   15.9  10.0   2.0   1.0   2.4  1.6   27.8   .07  1.00
Gerald Wallace     864   29   15.4   7.6   2.4   1.7   2.2  1.0   26.3   .03   .94
Archie Clark       795   33   17.0   3.1   5.1   1.9   2.3   .2   25.7   .09   .91
Jamal Crawford    1162   31   18.2   2.9   3.8   1.1   2.2   .2   24.3   .05   .92
Derrick McKey     1080   28   13.5   6.1   3.0   1.3   2.3   .8   22.5   .12   .92

Clifford Ray       844   26   10.0  11.1   2.9   1.1   2.6  1.4   23.6   .08  1.06
Caron Butler       947   32   16.3   6.0   2.4   1.5   2.1   .3   24.3   .07   .90
Michael Cooper    1038   27   10.6   4.2   4.8   1.5   2.1   .8   20.6   .17  1.04
Calvin Natt        641   32   18.6   7.8   2.2   1.0   2.4   .4   27.2   .07   .96
Jeff Teague        580   26   18.0   3.0   6.9   1.6   3.0   .5   28.2   .12   .97

321-330             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Charlie Scott      762   36   18.3   3.6   4.7   1.4   3.4   .3   24.7   .06   .89
Monta Ellis        744   37   19.0   3.5   4.5   1.8   2.9   .3   26.7   .04   .84
Ray Williams       696   28   17.1   4.5   6.6   2.2   4.0   .4   27.4   .05   .85
Brook Lopez        500   33   21.3   8.7   1.4    .7   2.2  2.0   31.8   .03  1.01
Truck Robinson     844   32   16.0  10.3   1.9    .8   3.0   .7   25.7   .06   .81

Luis Scola         755   26   17.8   9.9   2.2    .9   2.1   .4   28.4   .05   .82
Antonio Davis      996   29   12.7   9.7   1.5    .6   1.8  1.2   23.4   .09  1.04
Jimmy Jones        772   35   14.8   3.5   4.4   1.7   2.1   .3   23.2   .12  1.05
Sleepy Floyd       993   28   14.9   3.3   6.4   1.5   3.0   .3   24.2   .04  1.08
Norm VanLier       784   35   11.7   4.6   7.3   1.9   2.8   .2   24.0   .06   .98

331-340             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Caldwell Jones    1423   27    8.9  10.0   1.6    .7   2.2  2.3   21.1   .10   .99
Tom Gola           737   33   11.5   6.7   4.5   1.7   2.1  1.0   24.1   .06   .95
Donyell Marshall   932   26   15.1   9.3   1.9   1.1   1.8  1.2   26.9   .04   .82
Ricky Pierce      1066   25   20.6   3.4   2.5   1.1   2.1   .2   25.3   .10   .89
Tom Gugliotta      775   31   14.5   9.0   3.3   1.7   2.7   .8   26.9   .01   .78

Dale Ellis        1331   28   18.8   4.4   1.7   1.0   1.8   .2   23.8   .05   .91
Derek Fisher      1545   26   11.9   3.0   3.9   1.5   1.5   .1   19.3   .17   .98
Bill Cartwright   1085   29   15.7   8.1   1.7    .6   2.4   .8   23.8   .11   .77
Robert Reid        995   28   12.8   5.8   3.3   1.4   1.9   .6   22.2   .10  1.04
Guy Rodgers        938   32   10.8   3.5   8.1   2.4   2.4   .3   24.7   .05   .92

341-350             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Jeff Ruland        338   35   19.9  11.3   3.3    .8   4.0   .9   31.1   .05   .95
Chuck Person       992   31   16.3   6.1   3.1    .8   2.4   .2   23.7   .04   .97
Tom Owens          917   24   15.2   9.0   2.4    .7   2.5   .8   24.6   .05  1.03
Josh Howard        573   30   17.9   7.4   1.8   1.2   1.8   .6   27.2   .12   .94
James Edwards     1275   24   16.6   7.1   1.6    .5   2.3  1.0   23.6   .07   .83

Kiki Vandeweghe    878   30   21.2   4.0   2.1    .7   1.9   .4   26.1   .06   .95
Gar Heard          841   25   10.5   9.7   2.0   1.7   1.8  1.8   24.6   .08  1.03
John Johnson       941   29   14.0   6.2   4.4    .9   3.5   .4   22.1   .07   .91
Reggie Lewis       491   32   19.0   5.0   2.7   1.4   1.8  1.0   27.8   .08  1.06
Scott Wedman       985   28   15.2   5.8   2.3   1.2   1.8   .4   22.9   .07   .99

351-360             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Rodney McCray      814   33   12.4   7.3   3.8    .9   2.1   .7   23.5   .06   .95
Bob Boozer         922   29   16.0   7.6   1.6    .9   2.1  1.1   24.7   .05   .93
Joe Barry Carroll  711   33   17.5   8.5   1.8   1.1   3.1  1.8   27.1   .02   .90
J.R. Smith         929   27   17.5   4.5   2.7   1.3   1.8   .3   24.5   .10   .86
DeAndre Jordan     642   27   12.5  13.3    .8    .8   1.7  2.3   28.2   .09   .97

Jerry Sloan        805   34   13.8   6.8   2.6   2.2   2.0   .2   23.9   .07   .93
Sweetwater Clifton 518   30   12.9   8.5   3.2   1.4   2.2  1.3   25.4   .08  1.08
Rudy Gay           652   37   19.6   6.4   2.2   1.4   2.5   .8   27.8   .01   .90
Wayne Embry        887   26   14.3   8.9   1.8    .9   2.1  1.4   24.8   .06   .92
Damian Lillard     348   37   22.2   3.8   6.0    .9   2.8   .3   31.1   .09   .90

361-370             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Mike Gminski       968   26   14.5   9.6   1.6   .7   2.0   1.4   25.8   .04   .95
John Lucas         973   27   12.5   2.9   8.2   1.7   2.7   .1   24.4   .04   .99
Johnny Moore       556   26   11.2   4.0   9.0   2.6   3.0   .3   26.2   .08  1.17
Doug Christie      876   32   12.9   4.8   4.2   2.1   2.4   .5   23.1   .07   .94
Louie Dampier     1069   34   13.8   2.2   5.0   1.1   2.0   .4   21.3   .11   .98

Elmore Smith       575   32   14.2  10.7   1.6   1.0   2.6  3.5   29.0   .02  1.02
Dick Barnett      1064   30   17.3   2.7   3.2   1.4   2.0   .0   22.5   .09   .97
Kirk Hinrich       948   31   13.6   3.6   5.5   1.3   2.2   .3   22.8   .07   .99
Sean Elliott       827   33   16.1   4.8   2.8    .8   2.0   .4   23.0   .10   .96
Thurl Bailey       997   27   15.6   6.6   1.7    .6   2.0  1.5   24.0   .08   .95

371-380             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Johnny Green      1077   23   14.7   9.6   1.8   1.0   2.2  1.5   26.1   .01   .83
Trevor Ariza       869   29   13.3   6.3   2.5   1.8   1.8   .4   22.9   .06  1.05
Marcin Gortat      662   25   15.2  11.3   1.3    .7   1.6  1.6   28.5   .07   .92
Swen Nater         745   29   14.1  13.6   2.0    .6   2.9   .7   27.1   .03   .85
Kurt Thomas       1205   24   11.9  10.1   1.6    .9   1.6  1.1   23.5   .06   .87

Mike Mitchell      790   33   19.5   6.3   1.3    .8   1.9   .6   26.0   .04   .98
Larry Hughes       767   31   15.7   5.1   3.6   1.8   2.5   .4   24.6   .07   .90
Greg Ballard       865   27   14.5   7.5   2.6   1.4   1.7   .4   25.0   .06   .87
Bobby Wanzer       391   33   17.7   4.7   4.0   1.6   2.4   .6   26.7   .06  1.20
Al Harrington     1036   28   16.6   7.2   2.0   1.1   2.3   .3   24.2   .04   .84

381-390             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Nate McMillan      894   25    7.4   5.7   7.6   2.5   2.5   .6   23.2   .10   .94
Mack Calvin        829   29   16.9   2.7   5.3   1.7   3.6   .1   23.1   .09  1.02
Willie Naulls      751   28   16.9   8.0   1.8    .9   2.2  1.2   26.3   .02   .76
David Wesley      1004   32   14.7   3.0   5.1   1.5   2.2   .2   23.2   .06   .88
Joe Smith         1091   26   14.3   9.0   1.3    .8   1.7  1.1   24.4   .06   .84

Armon Gilliam      963   28   16.5   8.7   1.4    .9   2.3   .8   25.6   .03   .85
Jeff Malone        949   33   20.1   3.0   2.5    .7   1.9   .1   24.3   .06   .96
Serge Ibaka        616   29   15.0   9.5    .8    .5   1.5  3.0   27.7   .15   .86
Tom Boerwinkle     660   23   10.3  11.8   4.6    .7   3.1   .8   24.8   .05  1.13
Joe Caldwell       843   32   15.1   4.7   3.5   2.3   3.3   .5   22.7   .08   .91

391-400             G   Min    Sco   Reb   Ast   Stl   TO   Blk    T     po%   p/r
Mike Miller       1106   26   15.4   5.8   3.2    .7   2.0   .3   23.4   .05   .75
Dick McGuire       650   29   10.6   4.1   7.2   2.3   2.3   .4   24.2   .08  1.02
Kendall Gill       993   30   14.4   5.0   3.5   1.8   2.1   .5   23.6   .03   .87
Mo Williams        880   29   16.9   3.6   5.5   1.1   2.8   .2   24.7   .06   .80
Raymond Felton     805   33   13.8   3.7   6.3   1.5   2.6   .2   24.0   .04   .97

Bonzi Wells        639   25   17.3   6.9   3.0   1.7   2.8   .4   26.4   .07   .93
Chuck Share        648   22   13.8  10.1   2.1   1.1   2.3  1.6   26.0   .07   .85
Jim Jackson        933   33   15.5   5.3   3.6    .9   2.7   .2   22.8   .04   .92
Keith Van Horn     632   31   18.7   8.1   1.9    .9   2.5   .6   26.9   .07   .79
Cazzie Russell     889   27   18.0   4.0   2.7   1.2   2.1   .4   24.3   .07   .93

[bchaikin]

you have chris webber ranked 42th, larry nance 75th...

they played similar career regular season minutes, webber was the better scorer and rebounder but not by much, their career pts/40 just 22.3 vs. 20.4 pts/40...

but nance shot much better overall (7% better ScFG%, 57.6% vs. 50.6%) with far fewer turnovers (2.2 vs. 3.0 TO/40min) and was thus far more efficient on offense (2.52 vs. 1.92 pts/0ptposs) over 30,000+ minutes while also being the significantly better defender...

would take nance over webber in a heartbeat...

[Mike G]

I would, too, if I wanted more defense and didn't need the offense.
Webber has better productivity than Nance (T), 35.2 to 32.2. His equivalent totals are thus greater by 8.5%
Webber has a higher versatility rating, because his per36 (Ast+Stl) total 5.6, to 3.7 for Nance. This increases the difference in their 'credits', to +22% for Webber.

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eTotal  cred   eTpo  cred  TCred   Tv
31764   6265   2446  1544  7809   7877
29287   5511   1976  1318  6829   6022

Neither had a spectacular playoff career -- Webber with more minutes but a bigger dropoff in proficiency. With double counting PO, advantage CWebb.
Without the versatility factor, Webber drops to 52, Nance remains at 75.

Nance had 3 All-Star nods, 3 all-D teams (1st, 2nd, 2nd), and was once 13th in MVP voting.
Webber made 5 consecutive all-NBA teams, including a 1st team. Finished as high as 4th in MVP vote. That's pretty serious stuff.

Most seasons averaging at least 23 pts, 10 reb, 4 ast:

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23-10-4
9  Kareem
8  Baylor
5  Barkley
5  Wilt
4  Webber
3  Bird
3  Oscar

He's always showing up in lists such as this. A very rare talent. With more discipline/durability, he might have made alltime top 20.

[Mike G]

Here's a career playoff over- and under-achiever list, top and bottom 40.
Ranked by PO productions -- points, rebounds, etc -- over or under their RS rates.

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po+    overs    poMin  Tpo+       po+    unders   poMin   Tpo+
902   Jordan     7474   2.4      -489   Wilt       7258   -4.3
763   Olajuwon   5749   2.9      -435   Payton     5452   -4.8
683   Horry      6772   1.7      -376   Cassell    3821   -5.4
620   Russell    7497   1.1      -357   Cartwright 3496   -5.6
575   Isiah      4216   3.0      -340   KMalone    7907   -3.4
525   Pippen     8105    .4      -307   CRobinson  3887   -4.7
516   Reggie     5309   1.6      -306   Battier    3025   -5.5
478   RBrown     4030   2.4      -268   Parker     7479   -3.2
477   Rondo      3570   2.9      -226   Finley     3857   -4.0
473   Worthy     5297   1.3      -207   Kirilenko  1490   -6.9
460   LeBron     8373    .1      -207   BBarry     1753   -6.2
455   Havlicek   6860    .5      -206   Sikma      3558   -4.0
442   West       6306    .6      -202   BuWilliams 3710   -3.9
426   Cheeks     4848   1.3      -195   DHarris    1518   -6.5
425   DJohnson   7004    .3      -192   THill      1863   -5.6
420   Billups    5272   1.0      -190   Okur       1677   -6.0
413   BWallace   4447   1.4      -189   Bosh       3089   -4.1
412   RBarry     4061   1.8      -170   Chandler   2193   -4.7
400   White      3428   2.3      -168   MMiller    1550   -5.8
398   Hayes      4160   1.5      -167   Stackhouse 2161   -4.7
371  GusWilliams 3205   2.3      -166   Pettit     3545   -3.6
367   Cowens     3768   1.6      -166   Webber     2926   -3.9
364   Kersey     3394   2.0      -165   GAnthony   2133   -4.7
362   Hamilton   4990    .7      -163   Marion     3733   -3.5
359   FLewis     4151   1.2      -160   R Allen    2921   -3.9
347   Hagan      3080   2.2      -155   JeLucas    2370   -4.3
347   AHardaway  2640   2.8      -155   Ibaka      2759   -3.9
347   MCooper    4744    .7      -155   VanHorn    1465   -5.7
334   Starks     3007   2.1      -153   Hunter     2051   -4.6
331   BDavis     1850   4.5      -152   Szczerbiak 1553   -5.4
320   AJohnson   2757   2.3      -151   CBoozer    2733   -3.9
295   Frazier    3953    .8      -149   Archibald  1642   -5.2
294   Grant      6172   -.2      -149   Marbury    1063   -6.9
294   Fisher     6802   -.3      -147   MBibby     3596   -3.4
289   BryRussell 3043   1.5      -144   WMatthews  1171   -6.3
286   Diaw       2940   1.6      -141   Howell     2722   -3.8
271   Kemp       2937   1.4      -139   Stojakovic 2933   -3.6
267   Iverson    3205   1.1      -138   TrRobinson 1736   -4.8
264   JiJones    3224   1.1      -137  Nesterovich 1106   -6.4
263   Westbrook  3094   1.2      -137   DRobinson  4221   -3.1

The Tpo+ column is a player's career PO T rate minus his RS T rate. The average seems to be about -1.9, so I added 1.9, then multiplied by Min/36.
Horace Grant and Derek Fisher had slightly lower rates in PO; but much better than the norm, and with many minutes; so they're seen as playoff overachievers.

Several caveats are in order. Some guys -- Wilt, Cartwright -- got their biggest playoff minutes outside their prime years. Some -- Cliff Robinson -- could rank worse if his teams weren't generally bumped off early in playoffs.
Bryon Russell followed one very weak year with a super playoff run. That one season creates the bulk of his surplus.
Roger Brown and Freddie Lewis represent the ABA. The Pacers' backcourt, they were.

[bchaikin]

I would, too, if I wanted more defense and didn't need the offense.

are you seriously trying to infer webber was the better offensive player than nance?...

nance scored almost as much as webber (20.4 vs. 22.3 pts/40min) in similar minutes, but shot 7% better with far fewer turnovers, not in just one single season, but over 30,000 minutes - that's like 10 years of 82 games a season and 36-37 min/g that nance was far more efficient on offense while scoring almost as much...

Webber has better productivity than Nance (T), 35.2 to 32.2. His equivalent totals are thus greater by 8.5%
Webber has a higher versatility rating, because his per36 (Ast+Stl) total 5.6, to 3.7 for Nance. This increases the difference in their 'credits', to +22% for Webber.

not only did webber commit far more turnovers in similar minutes to nance, he also missed far more shots (7832 missed FGA vs 5294 missed FGA for nance), which is far more defensive rebounds by the opponent, which is far more zero point team possessions webber was personally responsible for than nance...

do you realize how offensively efficient nance's career 2.52 pts/0ptposs is? dirk nowitzki in his career was at 2.62 pts/0ptposs - for every zero point team possession he was personally responsible for he scored 2.62 pts. nance scored 2.52, webber just 1.92. that's a huge difference...

you can quote "productivity" and "versatility" ratings all you want, but the fact is nance was the better defender and the far better player on offense than was webber...

He's always showing up in lists such as this. A very rare talent.

and you can "customize" any most seasons averaging list to include a specific player - here's all players with the most seasons of 16+ pts/g, 8+ reb/g, 2+ bs/g (2000 minutes minimum):

9 - kareem abdul-jabbar, david robinson
8 - elvin hayes, larry nance

With more discipline/durability, he might have made alltime top 20.

yes - had webber shot much better, committed far fewer turnovers, and played better defense, he could have been an all-time top 20 player...

That's pretty serious stuff.

not including offensive efficiency and player defense skews your all-time listing...

[Mike G]

Well, I have always been a very big fan of Larry Nance. All your points about his shooting efficiency are right on.
It was an annual perplexation how Nance would be left off the all-star team and/or the all-league team, while James Worthy seemed to be a lesser player who made the teams by default.

Meanwhile

not only did webber commit far more turnovers ...

According to b-r.com, Webber's career RS TO% was 12.1 vs 11.3 for Nance. This is the % of their 'possessions used' in which they were charged with a TO. With Webber's Ast% of 20.2, vs 11.8 for Nance, not a factor in that TO%, it seems Webber was much the more versatile offensive player.

In RS, their Usg% were Webber 27.1 and Nance 20.6 -- Webber's being 32% higher.
In PO, the difference is 26.7 to 18.7, a difference of 43%.
Nance apparently shrank away from the ball in big games. It's great to have a high shooting%, but not if you don't want to shoot.

he also missed far more shots (7832 missed FGA vs 5294 missed FGA for nance), which is far more defensive rebounds by the opponent, which is far more zero point team possessions webber was personally responsible for than nance...

Michael Jordan missed more shots than almost anyone. Has this line of reasoning ever yielded a clue about a player's overall value?

I don't know why Webber made 5 all-NBA teams, and Nance made none. Maybe he was the best player on one of the best teams?

not including offensive efficiency and player defense skews your all-time listing...

The Sco column has Effective Shooting% -- same as your Scoring FG% -- factored in. Turnovers are weighted -1.5 in the T rate. Blocks and steals are +1.5 . (Standardized points and rebounds are 1.0) That's about all I have to go by in the historic record.

[Mike G]

Why didn't Larry Nance play more than 36 mpg in his prime and just 33.4 for his career?
Why did a relatively inefficient Chris Webber avg 37 mpg for his career, with 5 seasons over 39?

It's not that Nance played for better/deeper teams, while Webber was carrying weaker teams. Webber's teams won 57% of their RS games vs 54% for Nance. In playoffs, it was 50% to 44%

Some production rates, with the ratios for Webber/Nance:

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Reg Sea  mpg   ORb%  DRb%   TRb%   Ast%   Stl%   Blk%   TO%   Usg%
Webber  37.1   8.2   20.9   14.6   20.2    2.0   2.7   12.1   27.1
Nance   33.4   8.7   18.3   13.6   11.8    1.4   3.8   11.3   20.6
W/N     1.11   .94   1.14   1.07   1.71   1.43   .71   1.07   1.32

per100  FGA    FTA    TSA    Pts    Reb    Ast    Stl    Blk    TO
Webber  24.8   6.4   27.6   28.3   13.4    5.8    2.0    2.0    3.8
Nance   18.5   6.2   21.2   24.8   11.6    3.8    1.4    3.2    2.7
W/N     1.34  1.03   1.30   1.14   1.16   1.53   1.43    .63   1.41

In Stl+Blk per 100 poss., Nance leads by 4.6-4.0

Last year's ESPN poll ranked Webber #66 all-time and Nance #108. I had Webber 26 spots higher, Nance 34 higher.
In my list, players ranked 51-100 averaged about 5 all-star appearances. Nance (3) should have had a couple more. Worthy (7) ranks #70 by me (thanks to playoffs) and #43 at ESPN.

yes - had webber shot much better, committed far fewer turnovers, and played better defense, he could have been an all-time top 20 player...

Could he have had many fewer TO, considering all the stuff he did?
Since I estimate TO for the old timers, based on their other productions, we can take a look at "expected" vs actual TO rates. From my top 100, the 10 best and worst, by the ratio of the 2:

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a/e   turnovers/36  actual  exp'd     a/e   turnovers/36    actual exp'd
.60   Horace Grant   1.23   2.06      1.57   George McGinnis 4.53   2.88
.63   Dirk Nowitzki  1.89   3.01      1.40   Artis Gilmore   3.93   2.80
.68   Shawn Marion   1.60   2.33      1.33  Billy Cunningham 3.90   2.94
.71   Chris Paul     2.51   3.55      1.23   Isiah Thomas    3.79   3.08
.72  Rasheed Wallace 1.69   2.35      1.23   Bob Dandridge   3.01   2.45
.72   Michael Jordan 2.71   3.77      1.23   Alvan Adams     3.40   2.77
.75   Kevin Garnett  2.37   3.17      1.21   Shawn Kemp      3.35   2.78
.75   Reggie Miller  1.85   2.47      1.16   George Gervin   3.19   2.74
.76   Larry Nance    2.00   2.64      1.16   Moses Malone    3.30   2.84
.77   David Robinson 2.59   3.37      1.14   Bob McAdoo      3.32   2.92
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.93   Chris Webber   2.83   3.03                  

There's Nance with one of the 10 best. Webber is 38th -- about 1 TO per 5 games fewer than historic avg. Middling for his era, not worse.